New Electoral Law

[freelebanonn]

Originally Posted by roch10452

1- wouldnt that work with any person in town? why forbid the rest of those guys from going into election!!

2- are you saying that those people who are voted by the christians, are easily bought? arent they also FPM, since 70% of christians are FPM!

3- since when do you make laws punishing people for things they didnt do yet??

dude rou2assa 2el baladiyet were elected in 2004 3al 2asses 2eno 2eza baddoun yetrasha7o 3al niyebeh lezim yesta2ilo abel senten and not 6 months.if they want to change that it should be applied for the 2013 election and not this one

[zahle01]

Originally Posted by freelebanonn

dude rou2assa 2el baladiyet were elected in 2004 3al 2asses 2eno 2eza baddoun yetrasha7o 3al niyebeh lezim yesta2ilo abel senten and not 6 months.if they want to change that it should be applied for the 2013 election and not this one

I personally do not see the big deal if mayors resigned 6 month in advance or 2 years in advance ...and what if they run for elections??
they are going to resign and cannot use the money of the municipality for their own campaign,and if a mayor is going to run with march14 alliance , they do not even need the money of the municipality , they'll have tons of money to do whatever they want.
and if it is a good mayor that cannot be bought , this is good it is healthy for the elections ,this way his oponents will have to proove that they are better than him, and the pople will raise the bar for their representatives,there would be more competition, and let the best win!!!

[freelebanonn]

Originally Posted by zahle01

I personally do not see the big deal if mayors resigned 6 month in advance or 2 years in advance ...and what if they run for elections??
they are going to resign and cannot use the money of the municipality for their own campaign,and if a mayor is going to run with march14 alliance , they do not even need the money of the municipality , they'll have tons of money to do whatever they want.
and if it is a good mayor that cannot be bought , this is good it is healthy for the elections ,this way his oponents will have to proove that they are better than him, and the pople will raise the bar for their representatives,there would be more competition, and let the best win!!!

man the municipality election is about families and not politics.those people won becase the have good contacts and relations with the biggest families in their town.halla2 when it comes to politics those families vote for political purposes only but when rou2assa 2el baladiyet nominate themselves btetgheyar 2el mou3edaleh.ya3neh if they nominate ra2iss baladiyet 2el hadath they will weaken aoun their same in ain el remmeneh and other areas where they are planing to nominate rou2assa baladiyet!

[zahle01]

Originally Posted by freelebanonn

man the municipality election is about families and not politics.those people won becase the have good contacts and relations with the biggest families in their town.halla2 when it comes to politics those families vote for political purposes only but when rou2assa 2el baladiyet nominate themselves btetgheyar 2el mou3edaleh.ya3neh if they nominate ra2iss baladiyet 2el hadath they will weaken aoun their same in ain el remmeneh and other areas where they are planing to nominate rou2assa baladiyet!

no the municipality elections were about politics and not family .
on the other hand the moukhtar is chosen taking into consideration families and contacts ,yes. but the municiplality were always related to politics in lebanon ( evethough it should'nt). for example us in zahle , both the municipal elections in 98 and in 04 were mainly between skaff and hraoui ,and the opposition back then ( lebanese forces , kataeb and fpm ), had also a list.
now today the mayor of zahle assaad zogheib who is a very good man and he works for the whole city and for everyone ,he is known that his political affiliation is with elias skaff. and every mayor in lebanon has a political affiliation ,most of the mayors in metn are close to michel el murr and THAT is why michel aoun does not want to let mayors run in the elections. but i say , why not , if the mayor is a good guy and a guy who worked for his city or town , let him be a representative of the people ,and if the mayor is not good and the people dont like him , whatever he does ,and how much money he spends ,and with whoever party he runs with he will not be elected!!
we should not ONLY do what benefits us as a party but what benefits the lebanese people and our community as a whole, at least this is what i thought FPM is interested in.

[vegojimbo]

So why should the heads of municipalities be allowed to become candidates if they leave their office 6 months prior to elections while the first grade employees have to leave 2 years earlier? That's pure discrimination.

Either remove the whole time restriction all together and on everyone or leave it be. Demanding the diminishing of the time restriction for mere temporary political gains is another blow to our evolution as citizens. Long live the farm!

[zahle01]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

So why should the heads of municipalities be allowed to become candidates if they leave their office 6 months prior to elections while the first grade employees have to leave 2 years earlier? That's pure discrimination.

Either remove the whole time restriction all together and on everyone or leave it be. Demanding the diminishing of the time restriction for mere temporary political gains is another blow to our evolution as citizens. Long live the farm!

you do make a point here , but on the other hand head of municipalities are elected by the people and first grade employees are not .
but what you are saying is true too , i dont see the problem if both first grade employees and mayors run for elections , as much as we can take out restrictions , i believe the more democratic will become our electoral system.

[freelebanonn]

Originally Posted by zahle01

no the municipality elections were about politics and not family .
on the other hand the moukhtar is chosen taking into consideration families and contacts ,yes. but the municiplality were always related to politics in lebanon ( evethough it should'nt). for example us in zahle , both the municipal elections in 98 and in 04 were mainly between skaff and hraoui ,and the opposition back then ( lebanese forces , kataeb and fpm ), had also a list.
now today the mayor of zahle assaad zogheib who is a very good man and he works for the whole city and for everyone ,he is known that his political affiliation is with elias skaff. and every mayor in lebanon has a political affiliation ,most of the mayors in metn are close to michel el murr and THAT is why michel aoun does not want to let mayors run in the elections. but i say , why not , if the mayor is a good guy and a guy who worked for his city or town , let him be a representative of the people ,and if the mayor is not good and the people dont like him , whatever he does ,and how much money he spends ,and with whoever party he runs with he will not be elected!!
we should not ONLY do what benefits us as a party but what benefits the lebanese people and our community as a whole, at least this is what i thought FPM is interested in.

man ur wrong people like murr and skaff and franjiyeh and jumblatt etc. wont be beaten in a municipality elections but parties like fpm kataeb and LF byenmes7o easily cause their popularity manna mebniyeh 3al wirateh w3al khadamet.in 2004 in the municipality election most of fpm candidates lost jubran bassil came last in batroun. in 2005 in general election jubran bassil came tete de liste and managed to beat boutrous hareb.
as i said before in the municipality election most of the people dont vote for parties (2ella li meltezmin) but on heyda bya3rif heyda ,heyda so7beh ma3 heydak , heyda kel 2el 7ey bi7ebo etc. and based on families ya3neh for example ra2iss liste nezil min 3eylit x bi ghad 2el nazar 3an 2intime2o kel 3eylit x 7atsawetlo.also u'll see fpm ma7aybadi3 in 2010 municipality election while we will be able to get around 40 mp in 2009.

[Zehlawi]

guys the whole idea is to prevent the Ra2ees albaladeyye from using his or her post to give favours or punish people to vote for or against him or her. Now we all saw what MM did in every election and how he used albaladeyyat to his advantage. Don't make me laugh when someone say that FPM is doing all this to prevent Dori from altarashou7. he waon't be elected 3odow baldeyyeh today.
It is the principle that we're fighting for. and I think it is in the constitution so you canno't ammend the constitution to benefit the current people it will have to be for the next elected Baladeyyat.
But hayda Libnan ya 7abibi I guess

[zahle01]

Originally Posted by freelebanonn

man ur wrong people like murr and skaff and franjiyeh and jumblatt etc. wont be beaten in a municipality elections but parties like fpm kataeb and LF byenmes7o easily cause their popularity manna mebniyeh 3al wirateh w3al khadamet.in 2004 in the municipality election most of fpm candidates lost jubran bassil came last in batroun. in 2005 in general election jubran bassil came tete de liste and managed to beat boutrous hareb.
as i said before in the municipality election most of the people dont vote for parties (2ella li meltezmin) but on heyda bya3rif heyda ,heyda so7beh ma3 heydak , heyda kel 2el 7ey bi7ebo etc. and based on families ya3neh for example ra2iss liste nezil min 3eylit x bi ghad 2el nazar 3an 2intime2o kel 3eylit x 7atsawetlo.also u'll see fpm ma7aybadi3 in 2010 municipality election while we will be able to get around 40 mp in 2009.

Free lebanon, i disagree with you , i truly believe that municipal elections are affected by politics .
and you cannot compare the elections in 2004 and the election in 2005
in 2004 we were still under the syrian domination, in 2005 we were not and everybody remembers the aoun tsunami , as the savior of the christians.
if the parliementary elections were held in 2004 while still under the syria domination , gebran bassil would have came last too .
and trust me that in the municipality elections in 2010 , alot of politics is going to be involved and FPM is going to be involved and they will be the first to have their own candidates all over the christian towns and cities.
anyways i think we lost track of the main subject here, but i just wanted to state my personal opinion.

[FPM/USA]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

So why should the heads of municipalities be allowed to become candidates if they leave their office 6 months prior to elections while the first grade employees have to leave 2 years earlier? That's pure discrimination.
Either remove the whole time restriction all together and on everyone or leave it be. Demanding the diminishing of the time restriction for mere temporary political gains is another blow to our evolution as citizens. Long live the farm!

To play the devils advocate, the rakees baladiye is an ELECTED official while first grade employees are appointed! if they dont allow rakees baladiye, to be fair they shouldnt allow ministers to run also. that will surely hurt march 14 :D