New armed group vows to protect arabism through strength of arms

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

These guys are a resistance as well. Why should HA be the only one labeled as a resistance and all other resistors labeled as militias and thugs. These guys say they want to defend the land! Besides HA didn't receive government endorsement immediately it operated for years as a "resistance" without it, give these guys time they will grow stronger and get endorsements from the government and everyone else as well.

Of course I am against all armed factions outside the army and the direct control of the central government, all, including HA.

that's a very simplistic way to put it. i am not for the arms of HA either, but i am for an armed resistance. however it is not the arms that are the source of the danger, but it is rather discipline, or the lack of it to be more precise.

HA has the ability to put thousands of fighters on streets in a split of a second, and also has the ability to make them disappear even faster. there seems to be a solid and responsible leadership chain in place, and that makes the difference between rog and safe.

it is not what that group declared that should cause you to worry, it is rather what they left unsaid. we do not need an internal balance of terror in Lebanon. we need a Lebanese defense strategy. new armed groups hiding under the banner of resistance will only make it harder to reach a national consensus on a defense strategy.

there is also the issues of extremism and rog fighters out of control, like the ones who are actively seeking to fire kitchen made missiles on israel from the south in order to provoke a retaliation.

so despite feb14's enthusiasm to embrace anything that would compromise HA, there is no real valid reason to rejoice.

[Allah wo Berri]

guys do u thnk this guy is worth commenting on ? have u visited their website ???
http://www.arabicmajlis.com/?id=458<font%20face=


Guys loook at these guys esp the third and 6th guy from the left look at wat is he wearingg look at his shoes !! come onn

hol badn yi7mooona?

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

As for HA it's not a milicia,in the common perception that we want to dismantle.It's a resistance movement legitimized by self-defense principles

That makes it a militia by the pure definition of the word militia

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

that's a very simplistic way to put it. i am not for the arms of HA either, but i am for an armed resistance. however it is not the arms that are the source of the danger, but it is rather discipline, or the lack of it to be more precise.

It is not clear yet whether this "new resistance" has discipline or not. It is also not clear how it will evolve. Remember HA wasn't born the way it is today...

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

HA has the ability to put thousands of fighters on streets in a split of a second, and also has the ability to make them disappear even faster. there seems to be a solid and responsible leadership chain in place, and that makes the difference between rog and safe.

Again you don't know the capabilities of these guys. You do not know if they are rogue or safe. You also do not know how they will evolve, like HA undeniably evolved over the years.

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

it is not what that group declared that should cause you to worry, it is rather what they left unsaid. we do not need an internal balance of terror in Lebanon. we need a Lebanese defense strategy. new armed groups hiding under the banner of resistance will only make it harder to reach a national consensus on a defense strategy.

By the same token we do not want HA weapons either. They need to be integrated in the army ASAP.

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

there is also the issues of extremism and rog fighters out of control, like the ones who are actively seeking to fire kitchen made missiles on israel from the south in order to provoke a retaliation.

HA provoked in 2006, and thereafter even SHN said if he had known that the response would be the way it was he may have acted differently... We still do not know who is provoking now and why.

rhetoric wise, there is little difference between what this group says vis-avis Israel and Gaza, and what HA said. They both left the road open for possible action.

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

so despite feb14's enthusiasm to embrace anything that would compromise HA, there is no real valid reason to rejoice.

I am neither a Feb14, nor supporting or rejoicing, I am simply pointing out hypocrisies and two-faced behavior. I am against all of these hodgepodge armed groups, and I am also against HA weapons.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

That makes it a militia by the pure definition of the word militia

I didn't say that it is not a milicia,by the pure definition of the term.I said that it is not a milicia,according to our common perception of the likes that we want to dismantle...Big difference.

[LeBaNeSeCiTiZeN]

Originally Posted by Allah wo Berri

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Guys loook at these guys esp the third and 6th guy from the left look at wat is he wearingg look at his shoes !! come onn

hol badn yi7mooona?

looool badak ma twekhzo :P ba3do jeye min l warche :P ( kis l trabbe wara lol )

wtf are those people serious???

[Abou Sandal]

عناوين وأرقام هواتف المجلس الإسلامي العربي

المركز الرئيسي : بيروت / طريق عام الكفاءات / مقابل أفران الهادي/ بناية الكمال / الطابق الأول.
هاتف : 009611473569

فرع أول: بيروت,طريق المطار,سنتر الأطرش, فوق معرض اليسار للسيارات, الطابق الخامس.
هاتف : 009611457755

الجنوب : طريق عام صور - جل البحر - مقابل بنك بيروت - الطابق الأول.
هاتف : 009617345584

بعلبك : جانب محطة الجبلي - بناية اللقيس - الطابق الأول .

الممكلة العربية السعودية :
هاتف : 00966567479199

مملكة البحرين :
هاتف : 0097336234859

دولة الإمارات العربية المتحدة :
هاتف : 00971501883454

بريطانيا , لندن :
هاتف : 00447783718911

فرنسا , باريس :
فارس : 0033642226483

إيطاليا , روما :
هاتف : 00393292948705

Those coordinates are just for the records,should someone someday decide to ask the state,the Army and the judiciary powers, to take their responsibilities.

[Lallous]

Just for the sake of argument, I will answer you in spite that this new group has no credibility at all. I could also launch my own resistance movement and call it "Lallous' jihadis" going after all your off-topic posts...

HA was empowered during an era of occupation where a central state was inexistent and couldn't care less about its citizens' misery. Corruption was enrooted everywhere and everyone was busy filling his pockets meanwhile FPM was fighting the oppression of the syrians and HA is fighting Israel's occupation of the south.

After 2005, we turned from an inexistent state to a failed state. Meanwhile HA was limited by the MoU agreement and by different UN resolutions, our dear government neglected all other armed factions and even granted them a blessing in order to set in place a sectarian confrontation. What has been done against Palestinians' weapons ? What has been done against jihadi salafist movements in North Lebanon ? Does Fath el Islam ring a bell ? So before you come and hit FPM with a low jab, you should question your officials who are in rule. Can you make them accountable for their inefficiency during the last 4 years and give the opposition a chance to solve the national problems on its own once they'll be in power ? I guess not, you rather keep hitting on the same nail even if FPM has nothing to do with it.

Now putting this group on same level as HA is extremely naive and rather shows a brink of hypocrisy. In the current situation of a failed state trying to become a state, don't you think it's easier to limit any new militias trying to enflourish before it attacks a quarantined and bigger case which is HA ?

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