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Default 19th June 2009

Which one is the fizze3a? Wilayat al faqih or tawteen?

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انتظر الفلسطينيون قرابة النصف قرن ليسمعوا عبارة "الدولة الفلسطينية" تنتقل من لسان مسؤول الى آخر، ما يعني انه تم وضعها في التداول وان مسألة تحويلها الى حقيقة ملموسة سيتأخر سنوات فقط بعد ان تأخر عقوداً من الزمن. في المقابل، توزع اللاجئون الفلسطينيون في عدد من الدول العربية، ابرزها لبنان وسوريا والاردن، وهم يسمعون منذ رحيلهم القسري عن منازلهم انهم يتمتعون بحق العودة بضمانة الامم المتحدة، الا ان هذه الضمانة تحولت الى ما يشبه "شيك بلا رصيد" وعبثاً حاولوا تحصيل حقوقهم دون ان يجدوا وسيلة ناجعة توصلهم الى غايتهم.
من جهتها، الغت اسرائيل من قاموسها كل ما يرتبط بحق العودة اكان على المستوى السياسي والدبلوماسي او على المستوى الميداني والعملي، لانها تعلم وقالتها بشكل علني ان مجرد التفكير بهذا الامر يعني القضاء على احلام الاسرائيليين بالعيش في دولة اسرائيل، وبين حلم الفلسطينيين وحلم الاسرائيليين لا بد ان ينحاز العالم الى الحلم الثاني ولو انه لا ينتمي الى المنطق والتاريخ بصلة. ولهذا السبب، عمدت اسرائيل الى توسيع نطاق المستوطنات وباتت بمثابة امر واقع لا يمكن التغاضي عنه، لا بل تحولت الى ورقة تفاوض اساسية في يدها، والى ضمانة اساسية لمنع تطبيق حق العودة.
وفي حين اقتنع الجميع بهذه الصيغة، اسفرت المفاوضات والمشاورات عن حل يكمن في توطين اللاجئين في الدول العربية وبعض الدول الاوروبية، وهو امر قبل به الاسرئيليون بالطبع وتركوا طريقة اخراجه الى الاميركيين والغرب لدفع ما يلزم من ضمانات وشروط واغراءات سياسية ومادية وحتى جغرافية الى الدول المعنية. وفي وقت بدأ اللاجئون الفلسطينيو نالتأقلم مع بيئاتهم الجديدة، اقتصر حق العودة عندهم على تقليد وتاريخ، اما في الواقع الملموس فغالبيتهم لا تعلم الواقع الجغرافي للمناطق التي تهجروا منها، وقد لا يعتادون على العيش في مجتمع جديد وبيئة جديدة قد لا يتفاعلون معها.
وتأتي تصريحات المسؤولين الغربيين والاميركيين والاسرائيليين منذ فترة غير قصيرة لتصب في هذا السياق، ومن هذه الاحاديث ما تكلم عنه الرئيس السويسري باسكال كوشبان خلال زيارته الاخيرة الى لبنان والذي يمهد لاقناع الجميع بأن التوطين امر حتمي وليس مجرد "فزاعة" او بازار تخويف.
وبين الحلم الاسرائيلي والحلم الغربي بالوصول الى دولتين بالحد الادنى من طلبات الفلسطينيين، ضاع الحلم العربي في حق العودة، وقد يمكن لفلسطينيي الشتات ان يعودوا الى الاماكن التي كانوا يعرفونها سابقاً انما من باب الزيارة ليس الا، ومن باب السياحة ربما ليتحولوا من اصحاب حقوق الى اصحاب احلام منعت سياسة الامر الواقع العالمية تحويلها الى واقع.
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That's a good one, but I had proposed a solution to this problem in another thread, which would maintain Lebanon as multicultural enjoy:


There is a very easy solution for the Palestinian problem which, once and for all, will finish it, but I wonder why no one is considering it : "El Mounasafe!".

Assume we have 600 000 Palestinian, we naturalize them all, but we register 300 000 as Maronite Christians and the remaining 300 000 as Sunni.

That would be a great solution, would keep the sectarian balance, and no one will oppose anymore.

P.S. Mouselase would also work, but is not necessary, the Shi3a can easily catch up in a couple of years
funny about the shiite catching up in a few yrs.
but u can't just register a person as a maronite and expect him to act as such.
i mean when push comes to shove they will act as palestinians.
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Which one is the fizze3a? Wilayat al faqih or tawteen?
well i think we have a wileyit fakih within the maronites as well,
what to u think is all the political statements of the patriarch
everytime anyone runs for an office they go to bkerki and make the following statement.جينا وضعنا الترشيح عند البطرك
well if this is not wileyit el fakih plus some pepper and salt as well i dont know what is.
only the other day badim gemayel also went to bkerki to
نضع الكرسي في عهدة البطرك
i tell u i havnt seen anything more stupid than those who pretend to be devout christians ....where in reality they r the furthest anyone can be from christ,
i have another example which seems is the trend these days
anyone going on a tv show (talkshows i mean)they come holding a rosary!!!!!!!!!!
dáaaaaaaaaaaaa
like they would sound more credible with a rosary in hand?
where r we going.
in answer to ur question of course tawtin is the most dangerous thing because if it happens then all our war means was in vain and we ended up where we were .so y did we go to a war and lost all that we did from our wealth to our nerves to our future to etc ec
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Do you guys remember what Geagea stated when he was in the USA? He said that in a couple of days (back in March 2008) there will be an official American statement clearly rejecting the possible naturalization of the Palestinians in Lebanon.

Today, more than a year after his visit, Samir Geagea's promise came true, didn't it?
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Icon4 Palestinians in Iraq to Be Resettled - 17th July 2009

The U.S. agreed to resettle 1,350 Palestinians displaced by fighting in Iraq, marking the largest resettlement ever of Palestinian refugees in the nation.

U.S. Agrees to Resettle Palestinians Displaced by Iraq War - WSJ.com

What about if the US decide to resettle the Palistinians in Lebanon to Iraq?
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The U.S. agreed to resettle 1,350 Palestinians displaced by fighting in Iraq, marking the largest resettlement ever of Palestinian refugees in the nation.

U.S. Agrees to Resettle Palestinians Displaced by Iraq War - WSJ.com

What about if the US decide to resettle the Palistinians in Lebanon to Iraq?
Iraq lost more then a million citizen during the war, maybe we can support Iraq by sending 400,000 palestinians badal el 3ira2iyyin yalli metou bel 7areb
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The Palestinian refugee issue was a direct result of Israel's actions, how can mr.Netanyahu dismiss this 60-year-old humanitarian and political crisis as if Israel doesn't even hold an atom of responsibility!? This is typical of Israel, committing the unthinkable then later downplaying the magnitude of the disasters it creates on victims
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Iraq lost more then a million citizen during the war, maybe we can support Iraq by sending 400,000 palestinians badal el 3ira2iyyin yalli metou bel 7areb
and do you honestly think that the iraqi shia are so stupid ( like us) to allow 400K sunni palestinans to come and settle in their country?
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and do you honestly think that the iraqi shia are so stupid ( like us) to allow 400K sunni palestinans to come and settle in their country?
you are right!
so they will have to "yzidou el intaj" and be more productive in order to keep the balance
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