Monuments in Nahr el Bared

[ius]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Are you supposed to be stirring her or giving zionist lectures on compassion? You gotta us confused.

I am asking a simple question while being up front about Israeli actions. What is wrong with that? Isn't the question worth contemplating? It could lead to one of two conclusions:
1) In some cases collective punishment is justifiable
2) What Aoun did is wrong.

I am not prejudging. Just looking forward to an interesting discussion.

[Beirut]

Originally Posted by ius

Isn't what Aoun is doing collective punishment? I am not denying Israel employs collective punishment against the Palestinians but I thought that the FPM was against that. Why should the thousands of children of the camp be living in deplorable conditions just because FPM wants to make a political point? Why isn't the FPM practicing what it preaches?

Nor Aoun, nor FPM, nor Lebanon are responsible of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its repercussions on the region and on the civilians.

It's the responsibility of the whole Arab countries, Israel and the United Nations.

Lebanon on its own paid the heavier price because of this conflict. Enough is enough.

[ius]

Originally Posted by Beirut

Nor Aoun, nor FPM, nor Lebanon are responsible of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and its repercussions on the region and on the civilians.

It's the responsibility of the whole Arab countries, Israel and the United Nations.

Lebanon on its own paid the heavier price because of this conflict. Enough is enough.

I agree that FPM is not responsible for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That is not the question. The question is whether it is justified to punish all the residents of the camp to make a political point?

[kappa273]

Originally Posted by ius

I am asking a simple question while being up front about Israeli actions. What is wrong with that? Isn't the question worth contemplating? It could lead to one of two conclusions:
1) In some cases collective punishment is justifiable
2) What Aoun did is wrong.

I am not prejudging. Just looking forward to an interesting discussion.

don't u think they would fit better in their ancestral lands south of the lebanese borders where their parents and grandparents lived for thousands of years?

let's not cover the bigger crime committed by the zionists and put all the blame on the poor lebanese...

you have an open and empty desert close to the borders with Egypt... why don't u move them there? they would be closer to their ancestral lands..

kappa

[ius]

Originally Posted by kappa273

don't u think they would fit better in their ancestral lands south of the lebanese borders where their parents and grandparents lived for thousands of years?

let's not cover the bigger crime committed by the zionists and put all the blame on the poor lebanese...

you have an open and empty desert close to the borders with Egypt... why don't u move them there? they would be closer to their ancestral lands..

kappa

Look Kappa, I am not covering anything. Is FPM and Aoun beyond questioning? He is making a political point by stopping a beneficial thing from happening to the people of the camp. It is collective punishment like Israel does. He is punishing the children of the camp for something they have not done. They were born Palestinian, that was all their crime. You criticize Israel when it does the same thing. Perhaps this case is different. Please explain how.

[ceaoun]

Originally Posted by ius

Look Kappa, I am not covering anything. Is FPM and Aoun beyond questioning? He is making a political point by stopping a beneficial thing from happening to the people of the camp. It is collective punishment like Israel does. He is punishing the children of the camp for something they have not done. They were born Palestinian, that was all their crime. You criticize Israel when it does the same thing. Perhaps this case is different. Please explain how.

Please stop colletively punishing us with this annoying "Aoun's collective punishment for political reasons".

regards

[>Watani<]

Originally Posted by ius

I agree that FPM is not responsible for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That is not the question. The question is whether it is justified to punish all the residents of the camp to make a political point?

Yes it is, because the reconstruction of the camp will make easy the progress of the naturalization! General Aoun is not punishing anyone; he is worrying about the Lebanese Liberty Sovereignty Independence. We paid a lot of Blood that's why we don’t want to lose our LSI again

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by >Watani<

Yes it is, because the reconstruction of the camp will make easy the progress of the naturalization! General Aoun is not punishing anyone; he is worrying about the Lebanese Liberty Sovereignty Independence. We paid a lot of Blood that's why we don’t want to lose our LSI again

let's put uis provokative sermon aside for a sec

me i like roman ruins, they are cool, perhaps more worthy of letting the palestenians of nahr el barid live over them after what happened in 2006.

but, u are saying that this is not a matter of just protecting the cool ruins i like so much, u are saying it's against tawteen.

me i must be slow this morning, can u explain to me how this is supposed to be against tawteen ?

they were living there b4, now they are living in other camps but still here...

so if we put uis nazi gas chamber theories aside for a sec, how on earth is stopping them from going back (as opposed to keeping those cool roman ruins) is helping us in fighting the tawteen ?

as i said, perhaps i'm slow this morning so i'd appreciate ur clarification on this matter

[>Watani<]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

let's put uis provokative sermon aside for a sec

me i like roman ruins, they are cool, perhaps more worthy of letting the palestenians of nahr el barid live over them after what happened in 2006.

but, u are saying that this is not a matter of just protecting the cool ruins i like so much, u are saying it's against tawteen.

me i must be slow this morning, can u explain to me how this is supposed to be against tawteen ?

they were living there b4, now they are living in other camps but still here...

so if we put uis nazi gas chamber theories aside for a sec, how on earth is stopping them from going back (as opposed to keeping those cool roman ruins) is helping us in fighting the tawteen ?

as i said, perhaps i'm slow this morning so i'd appreciate ur clarification on this matter

some of them didn't go to another camp, they went to syria and to Irak. When you're not welcoming them or not even leaving them a place to live. They will try to find somewhere else and They won't forget their cause.
I'm not against the roman ruins! They aren't cool only, they are our heritage!
We have here 2 goals. (3asfouren bi 7ajar wa7ad) that's my opinion

[SputNik]

I think it's more about putting them under comfortable situations, not that we want them to suffer but a lot can go under "Reconstructing" the camps, many camps will follow and that's just one of the many steps in order to achieve full naturalization.

In my opinion, right now we are witnessing naturalization in slow motion that should shift to full speed whenever the right circumstances exist.