Militiamen from opposition camp attack civilians in Monot

[Dry Ice]

Where is Sami Gemayel?

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[SeekNirvana]

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

Seek, dont you think it is rather very sectarian to hold HA accountable to the actions of every shiite? in broader terms, dont you think it is rather weird to hold the opposition accountable for the civil infractions of all those with a political opinion that favors it?

if i go on a killing spree should FPM be held accountable?

Good point DA and I think it's worth a detailed discussion.

On one hand, I completely agree with you that it's absurd to associate the actions of Shiites to HA. Now, in this particular case, Majdalani is claiming that they came from the opposition camp. Irrespective of whether his whole story is a lie (or maybe another account he had to make under duress like Lahoud's re-election), I think it's rather inappropriate to make the conclusion that they are Shiite. They could very well be, but being from the opposition camp, they could belong to any confession, all we know is their political views are in favor of the opposition and HA.

On a second thought, the previous actions by militants in Dahieh area lead us to raise eyebrows on how possible is it for security forces to practise their duties. Irrespective of whether these are behaving like Sabeh's private bodyguards, the behavior of the Dahieh militants on a couple of occasions was not one that can occur when you want to have security. It's this halo that HA has put on its men and on its leadership (Charbel Khalil's caricature's reaction) that is raising eyebrows here and there.

Thirdly, while I completely agree with you again on the absurdity of the association of Shiites with HA, HA [and to a lesser extent Amal] look at themselves as the political representatives of Shiites. These two parties got about 95% of the confidence of those who voted, however these claims of political representativity (which in my opinion are absurd and do not only apply to HA/Amal) are extending to claims of complete representativity, for example, on the security level.

[j&b]

Originally Posted by samir khoury

did you watch LBC?

the guys who was injured said that the people who attacked him were from HA.
haram HA how do you dare attack them?they are vey nice and civilized people when charbel khalil made a sketch about hassan they only came by thousands to attack innocent people in monot...

it seems that you have forgotten that your friends burned Achrafieh to burn the embassy of denmark and they didn't smoke it even

[lebanon_first]

Originally Posted by samir khoury

did you watch LBC?

the guys who was injured said that the people who attacked him were from HA.
haram HA how do you dare attack them?they are vey nice and civilized people when charbel khalil made a sketch about hassan they only came by thousands to attack innocent people in monot...

Samir, you know HA does not have 100 members in order to be very well known from each lebanese citizen. Add to that I don't think that Ali Ammar or Nawwaf moussawi or anybody else was present there in order to incriminate the party, look I'll give you two ideas:
-first one anyone can go there holding the flags pictures etc.. and make troubles, does that make him a HA member? I doubt.
-second, well I got many friends from all political parties (you as well I guess), imagine me and that friend had a fight and he broke somethings in my home, does that make his political party (or worse he could be just a fan of some political movement or party) responsible?
where did we go with personal responsibility issues and the الحق العام ?
I am not blaming you, it's not your fault, after all you are reporting what you saw on that god dam* Leb TV, the fault is ghazi al aridi's fault, out government's fault, all of those f*****g tv stations.Those same stations that were about to push the country towards civil war on many occasions, those same stations that our authorities are not punishing and accusing of anything.

For me the only way (from a forensic perspective) to accuse any political party for any trouble is a combination of several facts : the trouble makers are members in the party AND they got direct orders from the superiors to go make the trouble

[Positive Balance]

About a year ago I was asked by someone to get in contact with someone from FPM because he had been harassed and even detained in an opposition tent after a night out in Monot. He was not Lebanese and had sought advice on whether to go to the authorities with this, but was advised against it. Of course I can't verify the story 100%, and the guy himself the next day changed his mind and said it wouldn't be worth risking bringing up the issue, so I had to no longer pursue the matter. From what I remember his wallet and phone were confiscated.

I can't and don't expect to convince others with this particular anecdote, but thought I'd bring it up since it is somewhat related. If such things happen, though, is there any way someone in the opposition camp can be questioned and/or detained, or is the downtown camp like the Palestinian camps: de facto off-limits to the authorities? (Of course, not recognizing the government - and of course as a corollary not recognizing any authorities in the country - makes it possible to maintain this situation, but it can't go on indefinitely.

Finally, as for evidence and such, this will probably become like any of the incidents championed by the political sides in the past few years: for one side it will be wholly believable, while the other side will dismiss it is lies and propaganda. I mean, let's be honest, rumors that make the loyalists look bad are accepted as truth much more quickly on this forum than those that make the opposition look bad.

[Mich©]

Originally Posted by Positive Balance

About a year ago I was asked by someone to get in contact with someone from FPM because he had been harassed and even detained in an opposition tent after a night out in Monot. He was not Lebanese and had sought advice on whether to go to the authorities with this, but was advised against it. Of course I can't verify the story 100%, and the guy himself the next day changed his mind and said it wouldn't be worth risking bringing up the issue, so I had to no longer pursue the matter. From what I remember his wallet and phone were confiscated.

I can't and don't expect to convince others with this particular anecdote, but thought I'd bring it up since it is somewhat related. If such things happen, though, is there any way someone in the opposition camp can be questioned and/or detained, or is the downtown camp like the Palestinian camps: de facto off-limits to the authorities? (Of course, not recognizing the government - and of course as a corollary not recognizing any authorities in the country - makes it possible to maintain this situation, but it can't go on indefinitely.

Finally, as for evidence and such, this will probably become like any of the incidents championed by the political sides in the past few years: for one side it will be wholly believable, while the other side will dismiss it is lies and propaganda. I mean, let's be honest, rumors that make the loyalists look bad are accepted as truth much more quickly on this forum than those that make the opposition look bad.

You're right and we will look bad, however, I haven't heard 2 sides of the story to judge yet and at the end of the day, you will always have some members of any party who create problems. This should not reflect the whole system.

[johnnyFPM]

There was a mashkal at David Guetta in Beirut.
Some people in the VIP area got into a fight over a girl.
Turns out on the one side we had pro-LF sympathisers, and on the other side we had pro-FM sympathisers.
I didn't see Majdalani issuing any comment about it. Neither did I see LBC or FuturTV covering the incident... Maybe if instead of FM we had FPM sympathisers or Amal ones there would have been a Majdalani statement.

Get real people, hala2 men kel 3a2elkoun "gneu gneu" people at L-BAR ma3on ar2am shabeb el mobiletet taba3 downtown camp? LOL, come on!

Sar mashkal, point. Who cares to whom people belong too as long as its not a mashkal ordered by the head of the parties involved (recall opposition's strike and LF trouble makers commanded by LF leadership).

[hannaalsayssa]

i had to brig back that thread to ask those farafeir waht happened to all the nois ethey made about HA attacking people.

where is this non representative of people? how come no follow up?

walaw albalad lah yerouh min edna, HA is at the gates attacking people.

shou another kezbe bayda and wrong information.????