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the second question prequesits the story being true. So how can we discuss something unconfirmed to say the least?
Give it another thought Vego. Hadn't the population been susceptible to an issue like this, there wouldn't be a point in playing on it; Just like Christians' rights (Oops ). The discussion that HA keeps on evading is not whether their weapons have ever been used towards the interior or not or whether they want to Islamize the country according to Wilayat el Faqih, it's how the other communities perceive their armed presence regardless of the Israeli threat. The Lebanese issue is always being treated on the foreign relation level whereas the internal agreement is missing.


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Members were wondering because coming from a person like you who challenges people to prove to him that snow is white, it is somehow questionable and odd.
I'm glad the members wondered so I clarified my position. As for the whiteness of the snow, I never questioned you that much, it's the half-cooked stories that I'm not too fond of :)

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As for your "Anyone knows more information on the status of the injuries of these people?" it implies that you swallowed the story and you are inquiring abut the aftermath and the state of the injured.
Not at all. I already spoke of Majdalani's credibility.

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are we going to see someone in the hospital with a small gauze around his arm claiming that HA tried to kill him in Monot?
This is exactly my point regarding the "evidence." It's pretty easy to fabricate evidence, so even if he had shown a couple of people in the hospital, the issue would still need further clarification.
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NTV just reported that a gun fight occured in the north between Hariri followers and Mikati followers.One injured by bullet.
Guys , most probably this fight was planned in advance to burn the paper of Mikati , since the name of Mikati was surfacing lately to head the neutral government that will prepare for the up coming elections ,

With the shooting that occurred , they will claim he is no more a neutral.
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The LA press release clarified many points and clearly showed that MP majdalani is a complete liar

تحقيق حول الإشكال الذي حصل في وسط بيروت
15-4-2008
صدر عن قيادة الجيش- مديرية التوجيه ما يلي:

أجرت قيادة الجيش تحقيقاً حول الإشكال الذي حصل في وسط بيروت ليل السبت- الأحد الفائت، وتعرض عدد من الساهرين لاعتداء داخل أحد المطاعم وفق ما جرى تداوله في إحدى وسائل الإعلام المرئية، حيث تبين بأنّ الاعتداء قد حصل خارج المطعم المشار إليه، وأنّ نقطة المراقبة التابعة للجيش والموجودة في المنطقة، قد بُلّغت عن الإشكال بعد انتهائه، وعلى أثر ذلك توجهت دورية من الجيش إلى مكان الحادث، وتبين لها أن دورية تابعة لأحد الأجهزة الأمنية قد باشرت التحقيق بالموضوع.

وتؤكد هذه القيادة أنّ كل ما نسب من أقوال لعناصر من الجيش حول أحداث مار مخايل- الشياح هو غير صحيح ولم يصدر من قبلهم

LA web site
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LBC did report what majdalani has stated
if so , so i missed it. sorry about that.
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You guys only believe what comes from our media and our people only ???
I don't understand u !! that HAPPENED !!
I'm not defending majdalani, but he knows the name of the persons, he didnt publish the names for security reasons maybe, and I AM SURE 100% that this happened.

Who's responsible for these militiamen? Can they be arrested without the streets going ballistic?
---> Simply Hezbollah.

- Are those militiamen taking advantage of the stature of HA as a dominant [and armed] party to do such acts?
---> Sure, lal asaf.

It is very disappointing to stay defending our allies even if they did mistakes, and what a mistake !! It is just a small fight some of hezbollah members did, maybe hezbollah is responsible because they came from the camp, but its not a mistake on the political level. Why defending them blindly without knowing what really happened ?!?!
geez .. why is it some people like to think that if they pretend they are with a certain party, that when they criticize him they would influence the real members of the party more .. i dont get it .. you think people will look at you and say : hmm.. if he is like us then he must be right .. try again mister :(
I have no problem with anyone criticising tayyar and i am the first to do it .. even more the alliance with HA .. but you my friend are a hypocrit trying to score the most points you can against tayyar under a fake cover ..
so .. to stay on topic and to reply to ur post : You seem so sure that IT HAPPENED .. and that Mr Majdalani is 100% RIGHT ( god knows he can't lie :( ) .. so can you give us the proofs u have since you are like us and part of OUR ppl so we might believe you more than Mr Majdalani.


And finally: Why are you attacking hezbollah blindly without knowing what really happened ?
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Annahar reported the following today:

مجدلاني: عناصر من الخيم اعتدت على ساهرين في بيروت

سأل النائب عاطف مجدلاني "هل هناك هدف جديد للمربّع الامني الذي انشئ في وسط بيروت تحت ستار الاعتصام، عبر استخدامه قاعدة ميليشيوية تنطلق منها عناصر مسلحة لترهيب الاهالي في بيروت؟".
وتحدث في تصريح امس عن "حادث اعتداء تعرض له الساهرون في محيط وسط بيروت ليل (السبت) 12 – 13 نيسان، تدخلت خلاله العناصر المليشيوية التي استقدمت على وجه السرعة من الخيم على متن الدراجات النارية المعهودة، وتولت الاعتداء المنظّم بالسكاكين على الساهرين في المطعم، مما ادى الى سقوط عدد من الجرحى توزعوا على مستشفيات منطقة الاشرفية".
وقال: "الاخطر من حادث الاعتداء غير المبرر، ان الساهرين الذين تعرضوا للاعتداء حاولوا طلب الحماية من القوى الامنية الموجودة في المكان، فكان الجواب: "اننا لا نملك صلاحيات للتدخل، ولا نريد ان يصيبنا ما اصاب رفاقاً لنا بعد حوادث الاحد الاسود في الشياح".
وسأل: "هل يجب ان نفهم ان الامن بالتراضي بدأ يتمدد الى احياء العاصمة؟ وهل الخطة التي رسمها مفتعلو احداث الشياح نجحت، وتم اخضاع القوى الامنية، على المستوى النفسي والمعنوي، بحيث صارت عاجزة عن التدخل لحماية المواطنين من اعتداءات ميليشيات الامر الواقع؟".
وختم: "المواطن يعتمد على القوى الامنية لحمايته من اي اعتداء يتعرض له. وعندما تصبح هذه القوى عاجزة عن تأدية مهمتها هذه، فهذا يعني اننا امام كارثة وطنية.

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This was reported by L'Orient:

Majdalani : Les miliciens du sit-in ont attaqué au couteau les clients d’un restaurant

Le député du Courant du futur, Atef Majdalani, a fait état « d’une agression qui a ciblé des noctambules, la nuit du samedi 12 au dimanche 13, dans les environs du centre-ville ». « Des miliciens venus du sit-in (de l’opposition) ont attaqué les clients d’un restaurant avec des couteaux, causant des blessures à plusieurs personnes qui ont été soignées dans les hôpitaux d’Achrafieh », a-t-il Page Rankingécisé.
« Le pire est que les victimes ont tenté de solliciter la protection des forces de l’ordre, mais en vain. Les agents ont simplement répondu qu’ils n’ont pas les Page Rankingérogatives nécessaires pour intervenir, ajoutant qu’ils ne voudraient pas subir le même sort que leurs collègues, lors des émeutes de Chiyah », a ajouté le député de Beyrouth.
Interrogé par L’Orient-Le Jour, Atef Majdalani a Page Rankingécisé que « plusieurs couples étaient attablés samedi soir, au « L bar », boîte de la rue Monnot ». « À leurs côtés, plusieurs personnes assises autour d’une même table trinquaient à la santé du secrétaire général du Hezbollah et ont tenté d’imposer à leurs voisins de lever leurs verres à la santé de Hassan Nasrallah. Comme les couples en question ont refusé de se plier à leurs injonctions, une joute verbale a éclaté entre les deux groupes », a-t-il poursuivi.
« À leur sortie, les couples concernés étaient attendus par une vingtaine de personnes sur motocyclettes et armées de couteaux qui les ont attaqués et blessés avant de s’enfuir. Les blessés ont été hospitalisés pendant plusieurs heures. Et une des victimes a porté plainte auprès du commissariat d’Achrafieh », a indiqué le député.

Contactées par L’Orient-Le Jour, les FSI ont confirmé qu’un incident a eu lieu dans une boîte de Beyrouth, Page Rankingécisant qu’elles « n’ont pas été informées des circonstances de cette affaire ». « Personne n’a déposé plainte et nul n’a sollicité notre aide », ont Page Rankingécisé les FSI.
De son côté, Atef Majdalani s’est également interrogé sur le fait de savoir « si le plan des instigateurs des incidents de Chiyah a réussi à briser moralement les forces de l’ordre et à les rendre incapables d’intervenir pour protéger les citoyens, face aux agressions miliciennes ». « Le périmètre de sécurité du sit-in du centre-ville servira-t-il désormais de base aux miliciens qui terrorisent la population de Beyrouth ? Lorsque les forces de l’ordre ne sont plus capables de protéger la population, cela signifie que le pays est confronté à une catastrophe nationale », a-t-il averti.

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Some questions come to mind:

- Who's responsible for these militiamen? Can they be arrested without the streets going ballistic?

- Are those militiamen taking advantage of the stature of HA as a dominant [and armed] party to do such acts?

- Why do you think the ISF did not move a finger to provide security for the citizens that got injured?

- Anyone knows more information on the status of the injuries of these people?

annahar , l'orient le jour deux facettes d'une meme monaie mais bizarement rapportent les faits de deux facons contradictoires !

Majdalani est il une source sure ??????? sa version arabe dit une chose la version francaise l'oppose ! bizare non ?

franchement on ne sais plus qui ou quoi croire nous sommes laisser a notre triste sort sans protection balottes entre la folie meurtriere le mensonge , et un laisser aller creuvant dans lequel nous marinons en attendant de meilleurs jours ! !

des incidents similaires a la pelle arrivent tous les jours commis par toutes sortes de personnes , qui en parlent ?

seek est ce la faute du Hizb ?

la faute du gouvernement qui n'arrive pas a metre l'ordre dans ce foutu pays ?
la faute aux forces de securite qui passent leur journee a se pavaner avec al ka2ima bil a3mal al amerikiyah la femme Sesson qui les couve comme maman poule les couvrant de $$$$$ pour les renforcer ?
la faute a cette mentalite piteuse qui regne sur notre peuple qui a bout de nerfs balotter par une scene politique empoisonnee et malsaine fini par reagir agressivement au moindre frotement ???!

une seule chose est sure dans tout ce cirque histerique : NOUS LES CIVILES SOMMES LES VICTIMES nous sommes completement delaisses a notre triste sort sans protection ni justice !.

nous pouvons blamer comme bon nous semble tous les partis et je dis bien tous les partis cela ne va pas changer le fait que nous vivons dans une jungle sans foi ni loi .
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geez .. why is it some people like to think that if they pretend they are with a certain party, that when they criticize him they would influence the real members of the party more .. i dont get it .. you think people will look at you and say : hmm.. if he is like us then he must be right .. try again mister :(
I have no problem with anyone criticising tayyar and i am the first to do it .. even more the alliance with HA .. but you my friend are a hypocrit trying to score the most points you can against tayyar under a fake cover ..
so .. to stay on topic and to reply to ur post : You seem so sure that IT HAPPENED .. and that Mr Majdalani is 100% RIGHT ( god knows he can't lie :( ) .. so can you give us the proofs u have since you are like us and part of OUR ppl so we might believe you more than Mr Majdalani.


And finally: Why are you attacking hezbollah blindly without knowing what really happened ?

did you watch LBC?

the guys who was injured said that the people who attacked him were from HA.
haram HA how do you dare attack them?they are vey nice and civilized people when charbel khalil made a sketch about hassan they only came by thousands to attack innocent people in monot...
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i often wonder why Lebanese are so eager to act like hyenas; fangs put on display at every opportunity. what an ugly character trait that is. i wish i had any analogies to describe how the show is being run, but we're are very unique in this aspect, and this is not a compliment.

in all countries, or at least in the ones where law & order hold some meaning, the police (ISF) is the only source from which these reports can be obtained.

in Lebanon however, things progress differently:
mobilette -> thugs -> shiaa -> HA -> the opposition is responsible.

jumping to the conclusion that political parties should be held accountable to every clash between two citizens is rather sad as a notion.

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Seek, dont you think it is rather very sectarian to hold HA accountable to the actions of every shiite? in broader terms, dont you think it is rather weird to hold the opposition accountable for the civil infractions of all those with a political opinion that favors it?

if i go on a killing spree should FPM be held accountable?
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I also remember when LBC reported that army members who came in an army jeep killed Dany Chamoun; those same army members used the same jeep to kidnap dirani...
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if i go on a killing spree should FPM be held accountable?
Unless you say you are LF, HA will be held accountable because they are the only ones who are known to have weapons, but Hariri will accuse Syria anyway
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