Michel el Murr V/S Hagop Pakradounian - Who is the liar?

[rayograph]

we don't have a polygraph yet in Lebanon like they do in 3ashra ba3ed el nashra, but if we study the body language of each one of them, MM is definitely the liar and Pakradounian, if you look at his eyes, his hand gestures and his tone of voice, you can tell that he's a very honest man...

[Ashrafieh_LF]

Originally Posted by Diabolo_7

In the LF dictionary, the word Principle was dropped in favor of the word Deal

Ha ha! The LF principles have not changed for 30 years.
Aoun has stuck to his principles, right? Quelle insolence?!?! Was Aoun always pro HA? Was he always pro-Syria? Was he always against the army and blaming its pilots for flying over areas occupied by militamen?? lol!

[Ashrafieh_LF]

Originally Posted by Armenian

Thousands of Armenians, born and raised in Lebanon, became lebanese by his help.

Please don't say that he did it for us to vote for him and we are Mjansin... Never

We vote for what the party decides not MM nor anyone else in Lebanon.

If the party decides to vote for MM, then we will, if not then we won't and 95% of the 93% loyal to this party will do exactly what I am going to do.

This is called loyalty to our party
This is called loyalty to our allies
This is called loyalty to our base

Thank you

Why don't you vote on what YOU decide? Are all Tashnag supporters robots with no opinions and no thought process?

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Ha ha! The LF principles have not changed for 30 years.
Aoun has stuck to his principles, right? Quelle insolence?!?! Was Aoun always pro HA? Was he always pro-Syria? Was he always against the army and blaming its pilots for flying over areas occupied by militamen?? lol!

yes, i have to agree here, the LFer under geagea always remained faithful to their delusions, ah sorry, i meant dim witted principles.

and for that, i respect LF thugs as much as i respect the deeply principled rug i haver for a doormat.

[kappa273]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Ha ha! The LF principles have not changed for 30 years.
Aoun has stuck to his principles, right? Quelle insolence?!?! Was Aoun always pro HA? Was he always pro-Syria? Was he always against the army and blaming its pilots for flying over areas occupied by militamen?? lol!

it's ok... perhaps what GMA did goes beyond what your little bird-size brain can grasp...

GMA is not Pro-HA nor pro-Syria... GMA is pro-lebanon.. FPM is pro-lebanon.. they are pro-lebanese and for what is good for Lebanon not what's good for Hariri family or the king of terrorists, Abdallah of KSA...

do u know the proverb about the prostitute talking about virginity? well you just remind me of it when you claim to be on the army's side...

perhaps you should look again into what you wrote and perhaps realize that it was Syria and HA which have become pro-Lebanon.....

the Syrian regime has declared they are done with lebanon and the invasion was a mistake and they have agreed on opening an embassy...

as for HA, it is obvious they have changed their rhetorics... they care only about Lebanon and lebanon's border and land and check out what they did in Doha for their partners in the Nation, the Christians.. The people of Bsharreh, Koura, Batroun, Zghorta, Jezzine, Ashrafieh can vote their own deputies rather than hariri...

kappa

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Why don't you vote on what YOU decide? Are all Tashnag supporters robots with no opinions and no thought process?

I know it's hard for you to understand, but nobody forces us to vote, we vote freely, and what we want is what the party decides.

I understand if you don't get it...

Thanks

[kappa273]

Originally Posted by Armenian

I know it's hard for you to understand, but nobody forces us to vote, we vote freely, and what we want is what the party decides.

I understand if you don't get it...

Thanks

oops Armenian, you just introduced a concept contradictory to geagea and his followers: the people decide and the party endorses this decision...

this is why geagea rejected federalism while all Geageaists are still dreaming of it...

geagea calling salafis and takfiris his allies while geageaists claiming they are christian puritans..

kappa

[007returns]

don't worry armenian ....

Loyalty they don't have.... thats why most of who use to be lebanese forces are now either koudama el ouwet or independents...

Party they don't understand .......Geagea is about making money..... even after he left prison , he sent people to brazil to get the money( Ask who killed najjar in Brazil),, inside party info from high ranked ouwet themselves, ya3ni ilna byou3a shwey ,,,,,, zero,,,

I will post more about LF facts in the future .... trips to israel,,, uhmmm , berbara,, eliminating party members,,,,next time

[MrJohn10]

As a true General Michel Aoun supporter and a Tashnak party volunteer, i feel ashamed by this discussion board. No offense (X) but i mean the way everybody has turned this conversation into disrespecting, mistrusting and in some cases into racism. First of all, let every leader everybody speak for their own case so let Michel el Murr talk about his stuff rather than talking about the Tashnak party decisions. Hagop Pakradounian and some of the members in this group said it more than 100 times in this board or other boards, that we are in the C & R block and we still are and still going to be. We haven't missed any of the meetings in addition to the weekly Tashnak and GMA meetings. We as Tashnak volunteers(me in England) are working internationally and in touch with our Elections office in Beirut. Our Metn list is 1 Tashnak, 1 Murr(with if), and the remaining is FPM. The same goes to the Beirut where the Doha agreement will be respected as signed (as we always respect our words), Zahle, and all the other places where there are armenians but no seats for us. Let this be crystal clear to everybody and let's not repeat this every time we read Michel el Murr about Tashnaks, Mas2oul rafee3 fit Tashnak or whoever. There isn't once we as official Tashnak members or the party leaders that we said there are doubts in our alliance with Tayyar. So kindly everyone do not compare the Tashnak party with other politicians in Lebanon, we have our terms conditions and rules that no one can change, just to remind if we had price tags like most, we would've been with Hariri and won all Beirut with a big block as well. Since 1996 we haven't participated in the Beirut elections for the sake of our honor and the terms conditions and rules that we've all mentioned every single time. Our electoral expression says we grab our own seats we don't wait for offers from others (whoever). For the ones who have doubts or don't know much about how a real party or organization works respecting itself, let this be a brief explanation. After all, we've been in Society and Politics in international level more than any other party, and all who are trying or thinking they are harming us for us they're nothing but tiny mosquitoes. Since 1890 we've faced elections, genocides, deportations, refugee life, hatred, traitors, ... all around the world, but here we are strong as always, having our own word, respecting our history our faith our principles and supporting our Allies.

[MrJohn10]

By the way, if you want more information about us, type Armenian Revolutionary Federation (which is the translation of Tashnak party in english) in google. It might be helpful for your confidence.