Michel el Murr V/S Hagop Pakradounian - Who is the liar?

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

Parties come from the people

Exactly what i said

Originally Posted by Danny Z

Base tells the party what to do not vice versa.

Exactly what i said

Originally Posted by Danny Z

My pleasure

Anytime

[jaoun]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

I just don't see how MM backed Tashnag or how, that was my question, how he backed Tashnag? by doing what? you should have a couple of good example in 40 years.

It is OK if you are just asking.
But man think twice they are dying to defend their alliance with MM => one day (iza ken fi 7aje), they will do the same with us.
Chouf 7alak bi hek 7oulafa.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Armenian

If the party decides to vote for MM, then we will, if not then we won't and 95% of the 93% loyal to this party will do exactly what I am going to do.

Doubtful! And the next elections will prove it.

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

Doubtful! And the next elections will prove it.

Can't wait for June 7

[Lebanesegirl]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

Doubtful! And the next elections will prove it.

Originally Posted by Armenian

Can't wait for June 7

are you two in the same team or... lol!!

I believe that not all the armenian people will vote for MM even if the party said so. But anyway no one will know till the day of the election.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Armenian

Can't wait for June 7

Likewise.

The days of Murr staying as MP are getting slimmer by the minute. And the blow will be delivered by none other than his allies, the armenians.

Thing is that many armenians have grown disgusted and appalled by Murr's politics, backstabbing, and insolence, and they will make him pay the price regardless of Tashnag's operational orders.
The Tashnag candidate may vary well gather more than 80% of the armenian vote, but I seriously doubt Murr will get more than 50-55% (and that's with pro-loyalist armenians voting for him as well).

[Aoun is rou2yaweh]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

Likewise.

The days of Murr staying as MP are getting slimmer by the minute. And the blow will be delivered by none other than his allies, the armenians.

Thing is that many armenians have grown disgusted and appalled by Murr's politics, backstabbing, and insolence, and they will make him pay the price regardless of Tashnag's operational orders.
The Tashnag candidate may vary well gather more than 80% of the armenian vote, but I seriously doubt Murr will get more than 50-55% (and that's with pro-loyalist armenians voting for him as well).

You are sounding like the loyalists when they speak about FPM.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Aoun is rou2yaweh

You are sounding like the loyalists when they speak about FPM.

How so? by stating that armenians are not sheep and that they have an opinion of their own , which will translate in the ballots? Or are u happy to hear someone state that although he despises a certain individual, he will still vote for him if ordered so?

Anyway, I'm not talking out of the blue. Living in an area heavily populated by armenians, I know their sentiments and thoughts. Many will be crossing off Murr, even if the Tashnag leadership orders them to vote for him. Granted some will abide by the party's decision although they no longer fancy the man, but not all of them will do so.

[Amirkani]

I don't understand why we are so concerned for whom the Armenians will vote.

FPM makes alliances. FPM doesn't tell their allies for whom to vote.

Voting is one of the sacred personal rights. A party or a person can publicly lobby for the people's votes but no one has the right to tell someone else individually for whom to vote.

At the end of the day, people will vote either their conscience or their interest. In either case, I am not worried... In either case, I am not worried about the Armenian vote or any other party's vote.

If the people don't want FPM to be in power, they will vote against it... and so be it. We accept the people's judgment and we believe that the people will reap what they sow, good or bad. FPM will still serve as it always has but with a reduced capacity.

If they do vote for FPM, FPM will take the people's mandate as its sacred mission and serve the people as it always has but, in this case, with extended capacity, resources and power... capacity, resources and power that the people would have given to FPM.

FPM, in itself, has nothing. It can only have what the people give it. It can never have more than what the people give it.

I say this because I often hear some people saying they hope FPM will win... they even pray FPM will win... but they have to vote (for some silly tribal reasons) for a candidate running against FPM...

We all need to realize that FPM doesn't beg for votes and FPM doesn't coerce people either. We believe in both the choice and accountability of the people.

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[sarhay]

Originally Posted by Amirkani

I don't understand why we are so concerned for whom the Armenians will vote.

FPM makes alliances. FPM doesn't tell their allies for whom to vote.

Voting is one of the sacred personal rights. A party or a person can publicly lobby for the people's votes but no one has the right to tell someone else individually for whom to vote.

At the end of the day, people will vote either their conscience or their interest. In either case, I am not worried... In either case, I am not worried about the Armenian vote or any other party's vote.

If the people don't want FPM to be in power, they will vote against it... and so be it. We accept the people's judgment and we believe that the people will reap what they sow, good or bad. FPM will still serve as it always has but with a reduced capacity.

If they do vote for FPM, FPM will take the people's mandate as its sacred mission and serve the people as it always has but, in this case, with extended capacity, resources and power... capacity, resources and power that the people would have given to FPM.

FPM, in itself, has nothing. It can only have what the people give it. It can never have more than what the people give it.

I say this because I often hear some people saying they hope FPM will win... they even pray FPM will win... but they have to vote (for some silly tribal reasons) for a candidate running against FPM...

We all need to realize that FPM doesn't beg for votes and FPM doesn't coerce people either. We believe in both the choice and accountability of the people.

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Thanks Amerkani! it is about time someone reminded FPMers and supporters about what the perception of election should be? y3ani you put the "train back on track" as someone said once:).