To March 14ers: Be careful for whom you vote. History repeats itself only if YOU let it.

[manny70]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

The Cedar Revolution kicked the syrian army out? The US gave the green light for Syria to enter Lebanon, and once this light turned red, it had to leave. the 14 March demo was more of a moral pressure than the real reason behind the departure of the syrian army.
But if any lebanese is to be bestowed upon the honor of kicking the syrians out, it would be those who resisted them for 15 years when they were ruling, not those who suddenly remembered that Syria was an occupier when Rafic Hariri died.

Now, this still does not deny that what I said was accurate. The guys ruling today were the same bunch ruling during the syrian era. Heck, nothing changed with them except that their allegiance changed from Syria to the USA. They still have the same thinking and the exact same behavior. They haven't changed one tiny bit.

Some of them their allegiance was to the US all along. When the US wanted Syria to stay in Lebanon their orders were: work with them. When the time came for Syria to leave the orders where given for the revolution... Remember the other revolutions orchestrated by the US in eastern Europe?

If the US changes their orders again, be ready to work for the Syrians!

[Revolution1989]

Originally Posted by Tamuray

remember?

Memory is very tricky... Do you remember Walid Joumblatt? Do you remember Hariri? Do you remember Moawad, HArb, etc.? Do you remember Khaddam? Heck, you don't need to remember, he is still Hariri / Joumblatt's biggest ally... Wasn't he the one who ruled Lebanon on behalf of the Assad regime?

Do you remember who helped the Syrians invade Ba3bda in 1990? SG, WJ, etc.

Since Gebran is your avatar, do you remember who tried to kill him? And who successeded in killing Danny?

Now back to March 14th, 2005, do you think any of your "M14 heroes" gave a rat's *** about Lebanon's independence? Why were they serving their syrian masters since 1990? The only reason they discovered "Patriotism" is because Khaddam and Hariri fell out of favor in Damascus... Remember that. The day Syria does a deal with KSA, Hariri and Joumblatt will be the first to give them another Beirut key... They're the ones who gave them the first key!!!

[Ashrafieh_LF]

Let's assume Aoun is 100% not a Syria/Iranian pawn and has the interests of Lebanon at the top of his agenda. How on Earth can you prevent the return of the Syrians when:
+ HA is seen as the leader of the opposition, they are armed and they are openly Syria and Iran's reps in Lebanon
+ Nabih Berri is the head of Parliament
+ Wiam Wahhab is a minister
+ Asaad Hirden is a minister
+ Jamil el Sayyid is a minister
+ Sleiman Frangieh is a minister
+ Baath/SSNP/Marada/HA/Amal are all part of the new govt

It's easy to shout empty slogans how if you win reforms will take place and you will fight corruption and the return of the Syrians but reality is FAR different. If la sama7 Allah M8 wins, it WILL be the return of Syria!

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Let's assume Aoun is 100% not a Syria/Iranian pawn and has the interests of Lebanon at the top of his agenda. How on Earth can you prevent the return of the Syrians when:
+ HA is seen as the leader of the opposition, they are armed and they are openly Syria and Iran's reps in Lebanon
+ Nabih Berri is the head of Parliament
+ Wiam Wahhab is a minister
+ Asaad Hirden is a minister
+ Jamil el Sayyid is a minister
+ Sleiman Frangieh is a minister
+ Baath/SSNP/Marada/HA/Amal are all part of the new govt

It's easy to shout empty slogans how if you win reforms will take place and you will fight corruption and the return of the Syrians but reality is FAR different. If la sama7 Allah M8 wins, it WILL be the return of Syria!

Once u start posting facts, we will start debating with u on this subject. But until then, I say tough. Discussing hypothesis as the inevitable future is nothing short of claiming Einstein discovered Space travel while we haven't even colonized the Moon yet.

[Revolution1989]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Let's assume Aoun is 100% not a Syria/Iranian pawn and has the interests of Lebanon at the top of his agenda. !

Thanks

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

+ HA is seen as the leader of the opposition, they are armed and they are openly Syria and Iran's reps in Lebanon
!

that is your perspective, they never said it... and by the way, they were armed in 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, etc. did you see Syrria back?

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

+ Nabih Berri is the head of Parliament
!

He is head of the parliament now... and you guys voted for him ... do you see Syria back?

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

+ Wiam Wahhab is a minister
+ Asaad Hirden is a minister
+ Jamil el Sayyid is a minister
+ Sleiman Frangieh is a minister
+ !

Amazed, you know the new government already? Awesome... Who told you that?

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

+ Baath/SSNP/Marada/HA/Amal are all part of the new govt
!

Is this a recap? You already listed them above no?

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

It's easy to shout empty slogans !

You should know, LF are the masters of shouting empty slogans and then backstabbing ("oua hal tous'al el kouwat al loubnaniah 3an el ta'if" should ring a bell... your (i.e. SG's LF) history is a long story of empty slogans, crimes and treason)

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

reality is FAR different. If la sama7 Allah M8 wins, it WILL be the return of Syria!

Once and for all, what you call M14 ruled with the Syrians and were very happy to be their slaves for 14 years... (and your leader for 4 years... then he ended-up in jail) ... The only reason they became anti-Syrian is because Khaddam fell out of favor in Syria and thus they could no longer continue their corruption and business as usual... Syria had other "favorites"...

Let Khaddam be back in power in Syria or Syria develop an understanding with KSA and see how they'll welcome them with open arms

And yes, the last man standing against a Syrian return will be FPM and their block, so it should be the largest possible

[sanfour]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

Let's assume Aoun is 100% not a Syria/Iranian pawn and has the interests of Lebanon at the top of his agenda. How on Earth can you prevent the return of the Syrians when:
+ HA is seen as the leader of the opposition, they are armed and they are openly Syria and Iran's reps in Lebanon
+ Nabih Berri is the head of Parliament
+ Wiam Wahhab is a minister
+ Asaad Hirden is a minister
+ Jamil el Sayyid is a minister
+ Sleiman Frangieh is a minister
+ Baath/SSNP/Marada/HA/Amal are all part of the new govt

It's easy to shout empty slogans how if you win reforms will take place and you will fight corruption and the return of the Syrians but reality is FAR different. If la sama7 Allah M8 wins, it WILL be the return of Syria!

same old scare tactics eh? LOL...
considering the big number of C&R deputees in the next parliament,
C&R and the President of the Republic will surely get a lot more than
1/3 of the government (maybe half and the other half will go to FPM
allies e.g HA,Amal etc...),
so C&R+President can block any possible government decision asking
Syrian forces to return except if you don't trust the President
but you can trust FPM that they will vote against such a decision and
will fight it.
don't worry, Syria will not be back. you can wear your pyjamas and
sleep like a baby.

[Ashrafieh_LF]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

Once u start posting facts, we will start debating with u on this subject. But until then, I say tough. Discussing hypothesis as the inevitable future is nothing short of claiming Einstein discovered Space travel while we haven't even colonized the Moon yet.

Saying that you will fight corruption and not allow the Syrians back is a hypothesis as well... So that should be thrown out too, I guess...

[Ashrafieh_LF]

Originally Posted by sanfour

same old scare tactics eh? LOL...
considering the big number of C&R deputees in the next parliament,
C&R and the President of the Republic will surely get a lot more than
1/3 of the government (maybe half and the other half will go to FPM
allies e.g HA,Amal etc...),
so C&R+President can block any possible government decision asking
Syrian forces to return except if you don't trust the President
but you can trust FPM that they will vote against such a decision and
will fight it.
don't worry, Syria will not be back. you can wear your pyjamas and
sleep like a baby.

It seems that Aoun and HA have other plans for the President. Did you not watch Boueiz?

[Sami.NJ]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

It seems that Aoun and HA have other plans for the President. Did you not watch Boueiz?

So Bouiez is not Syrian now. WOW. only LFs of Ashrafieh. you guys never seem to amaze. Bouiez is your source of info now!!!!!

[Ashrafieh_LF]

Originally Posted by Sami.NJ

So Bouiez is not Syrian now. WOW. only LFs of Ashrafieh. you guys never seem to amaze. Bouiez is your source of info now!!!!!

Of course he's Syrian, but he almost ended up on your list! Ba3den even if he's Syrian does that mean that he can't say anything truthful!!?