Mabrouk: The New Government - C&R 5 Ministers including Vice-PM and Four Service Ministers

[lebanese1]

Originally Posted by al_3teek

لعلك نسيت كيف كان يتم تشكيل الوزارات في عهد الوصاية السورية
وعلى أي حال لم أكن انا من اعترض على توزير قانصو بل تعليقي كان رداً على ما كتبه وكما قلت انتم ليس لكم رأي فيمن يختاره نصرالله وعليكم الاكتفاء بما يقدمه لكم

Are you saying that Syria used to impose the governments and appoint Hariri as prime minister and Saniora as Finances minister just like they used to give SSNP ministries?

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by lebanese1

Are you saying that Syria used to impose the governments and appoint Hariri as prime minister and Saniora as Finances minister just like they used to give SSNP ministries?

but they were forced, 7aram ma khasson...el 7a2 3a Claudi w Gramsci

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by al_3teek

لعلك نسيت كيف كان يتم تشكيل الوزارات في عهد الوصاية السورية

no, we didn't forget how Hariri used to be appointed PM and then have it stripped away from him whenever the syrians were upset with him.

وعلى أي حال لم أكن انا من اعترض على توزير قانصو بل تعليقي كان رداً على ما كتبه وكما قلت انتم ليس لكم رأي فيمن يختاره نصرالله وعليكم الاكتفاء بما يقدمه لكم

So C&R's 5 ministers and portfolios were given by HA? I see, GMA was negotiating with HN then! or was it with Siniora?
However u are right that FPM had nothing to do with Kanso becoming a minister, so when the criticism about Kanso's nomination comes up next time, better direct ur frustration towards HA not FPM bc the man is of HA's share, although many (me included) would have strongly prefered not to see Kanso in the current government.

[al_3teek]

Originally Posted by lebanese1

Are you saying that Syria used to impose the governments and appoint Hariri as prime minister and Saniora as Finances minister just like they used to give SSNP ministries?

ما أردت قوله ان سويا كانت تفرض بعض الوزراء ، وليس جميعهم، في كل التشكيلات الوزارية التي كانت تتم في عهدها ، وهم وزراء لم يكونوا يمثلوا الا سوريا ومصالحها ، كالوزير البعثي فايز شكر واسعد حردان وغيرهم ، والآن يبدو أن نصرالله قد ورث هذا الدور من سوريا ، ويحاول إعادة الماضي ولا تستغربوا إن قام نصرالله بالمطالبة بوزير بعثي في الحكومة المقبلة

[al_3teek]

Originally Posted by vegojimbo

no, we didn't forget how Hariri used to be appointed PM and then have it stripped away from him whenever the syrians were upset with him.


So C&R's 5 ministers and portfolios were given by HA? I see, GMA was negotiating with HN then! or was it with Siniora?
However u are right that FPM had nothing to do with Kanso becoming a minister, so when the criticism about Kanso's nomination comes up next time, better direct ur frustration towards HA not FPM bc the man is of HA's share, although many (me included) would have strongly prefered not to see Kanso in the current government.

لقد قلت انه ليس لكم رأي فيمن يختاره نصرالله ، فهو قد أعطاكم حصتكم ، اما الباقي فلا رأي لكم فيه ، وحتى من ضمن حصتكم فهم لم يقبلوا بإعطائكم حقيبة سيادية فأين مطالبة الجنرال بوزارة المال وهل دعمته قوى 8 آذار بهذا المطلب وأين مطالبته بوزارة العدل ووزارة الأشغال والصحة، لقد كان مختصر كلامي ان عليكم الاكتفاء بما يقدمونه لكم من وزارات وانتم عليكم فقط تسمية من يتولاها لا أكثر ولا أقل ، علماً أن السنيورة قد قبل بإستبدالها بوزارة الخارجية ولكن إصرار بري على الخارجية هو ما أوقف عملية المبادلة

العماد ميشال عون بعيد إجتماع تكتّل التغيير والإصلاح:
- دفعت فدية لأجل تحرير الدوائر الإنتخابية من الأسر
- النظام الطائفي اشبه بنظام توزيع حصص أو اسهم
- الوزارات التي طالبنا بها هي: وزارة المال - والأشغال - والصحة - والشؤون الإجتماعية - ووزارة الزراعة أو الصناعة
- التكتّل طالب بالتمثيل الحكومي حسب الطوائف: 2 موارنة 1 روم أورثوذكس 1 أرمن أورثوذكس 1 كاثوليك
1/6/2008

[tattwa]

From "The angry Arab" site:

"Lebanon has a new cabinet. Now the Lebanese can resume what they do best: getting ready for new fresh rounds of civil strife. The names of the cabinet ministers were not surprising: clearly, `Awn made the biggest victory: not only in getting a large number of ministries but in obtaining impressive (service) ministries. He is very well positioned to prepare for the parliamentary elections next year. The new president sent the worst signals in the three ministers that he obtained. First, Ilyas Al-Murr (the creation of Rustum Ghazalah) is one of the worst ministers in Lebanese history. Syrian intelligence used to insist that Michel Al-Murr or his son Ilyas control the Ministry of Interior. They took orders well. The former physician of Rustum Ghazalah in Lebanon tells how Ghazalah used to relish making Al-Murr wait on the sidewalk in Ramlah Al-Baydah while Ghazalah ate his breakfast. The new Lebanese president also appointed Ziyad Barud. This fellow used to be active in civic associations and was selected in the official election reform committee. Members of he committee told me that he was the most sectarian in the committee because he wanted to please the Maronite patriarch. Such were his political ambitions. Hizbullah was smart in giving two ministries for their allies in the opposition but their choices were rather lousy: Talal Arsalan is a joke of a politician and has a long history of buffoonary. When he was Minister of Tourism he made speeches expressing the Lebanese pride in the rise of an Ecuadoran politician, Abdala Bucaram (of Lebanese descent), although the latter was nicknamed "el loco" and was dismissed in disgrace. And the other opposition ally of Hizbullah is Ali `Qansu, who was used by the Syrian mukahbarat-Rafiq Hariri alliance in the 1990s to smash the labor movement. I am displeased to say that Minister of Ping Pong, Ahmad Fatfat, is no more a minister and he will devote his time to manufacturing a fine brand of tea. Nayla Mu`awwad, according to Lebanese press accounts, telephoned the U.S. Department of State complaining that her exclusion from the cabinet will end her political career. Mu`awwad meets regularly with Cheney and Rice and they think of her as the true representative of Arab women. The Phalangist politburo (during the civil war years and the alliance with Israel), Ibrahim Najjar, is now Minister of Justice. This is like having the Saudi King chair a conference on inter-faith dialogue. Wait: he is doing that. Never mind. "

[agnostic]

In 2005 Saad Hariri was given the largest majority in the parliament thanks to HA

This gave him a full power to rule the country alone

He said first that will maintain the legacy of RIP Rafic Hariri

But he showed that he was more wahhabi saudi instead of being the son of Rafic Hariri

He stabbed HA

It is only justice that his wings are cut and distributed between other lebanese groups

so ya 3ati2, you have lost
so face the truth and don't be like cocks who continue singing even after they are thrown in sh**.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by al_3teek

لقد قلت انه ليس لكم رأي فيمن يختاره نصرالله ، فهو قد أعطاكم حصتكم ، اما الباقي فلا رأي لكم فيه ، وحتى من ضمن حصتكم فهم لم يقبلوا بإعطائكم حقيبة سيادية فأين مطالبة الجنرال بوزارة المال وهل دعمته قوى 8 آذار بهذا المطلب وأين مطالبته بوزارة العدل ووزارة الأشغال والصحة، لقد كان مختصر كلامي ان عليكم الاكتفاء بما يقدمونه لكم من وزارات وانتم عليكم فقط تسمية من يتولاها لا أكثر ولا أقل ، علماً أن السنيورة قد قبل بإستبدالها بوزارة الخارجية ولكن إصرار بري على الخارجية هو ما أوقف عملية المبادلة

I first tried to answer this BS, and after writing 2 paragraphs, I found it was pretty useless to reply such verbal diarrhea, so I deleted the whole thing. Enjoy the fruits of sick twisted mind, I won't stoop to such level but I will just say this:
After all ur attempts to pin the opposition factions against each other, inkalaba el se7r 3al sa7er, and the loyalists ended up attacking each other to a point LF threatened to withdraw from the gov and WJ lashed out at them, while the opposition stood united all the way.

[vegojimbo]

Originally Posted by al_3teek

ما أردت قوله ان سويا كانت تفرض بعض الوزراء ، وليس جميعهم، في كل التشكيلات الوزارية التي كانت تتم في عهدها ، وهم وزراء لم يكونوا يمثلوا الا سوريا ومصالحها ، كالوزير البعثي فايز شكر واسعد حردان وغيرهم

and Rafic Hariri and Siniora and Joumblat, etc.... or u forgot about them?