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Chief, your proposition is surely honorable.

A lot of us would like to do more but some of us think that their hands are tied and sometimes we run out of arguments since we can't even convince ourselves of moves made by the FPM such as:

1) Why haven't there been any FPM internal elections ?
2) Would the FPM ally with the SSNP, Baath, Wi2am Wahhab, Kanso etc ?
3) A corollary to the other question: FPM is a clean party and decided to work only with clean people, the latter aren't better than the Hariris in terms of corruption and Syrian slavery.
4) Why is FPM's message so negative ? It's like there is no ray of hope, it's like all what the party does is attack the others over and over without giving any alternative.
5) The FPM promised to be a different party that deals with politics differently. It promised to be a secular party whereas all that they talk about is the rights of the christians. We thought that it was only for Lebanon, but now we see Michel Aoun talking about the christians in Irak and Iran.
6) What about the non-christian supporters of the FPM ? We almost hear nothing about them.


There are some doubts about FPM's moves and everytime we raise them, people ask us either to shut up or leave. Sometimes we are treated like traitors, since if we don't do exactly what Michel Aoun asks, we're Geagea's dogs :)

1) The internal election in FPM will be held before the 2009 election.However, it won't be done as the way it should be. In fact ,there was some issues concerning this internal election because it was used by the opponents media to promote that FPM is divided. I guess,democratic procedures and internal elections inside a party are new to the lebanese political scene.And I hope that this step by FPM would push other political parties to do the same.

2) and 3) This is my point of view concerning your second and third point:

In the 90's and untill 05', Hariri,Junblatt,Berri,kanso,SSNP,Murr,... all of them where having their part of the cake from the syrian. Hariri and Jumblatt were able to change side because of their political and religious representations. Kanso, SSNP, wahhab did not change side ...
After '05, everything has changed , now Syria is out and as Jumblatt and Hariri, the others have the right to exist in the lebanese political scene
FPM didn't made alligience to them ... For them, it is more like the "enemy" of my "enemy" is my "friend". So, I guess its ok if they wanted to vote for FPM.

4) and 5) and 6)
FPM is supposed to be a secular party. However, a secular party can hardly survive in a religious society. So FPM ideology is nothing but a scyzophrenic ideology between a secular party and a Christian party.
Since FPM won in 2005 the Christian areas, so FPM felt that he must be defending the Christian causes with keeping its secular ideologies for the "right moment".

And i guess, the right formulas for the Christian to survive in the Middle east is to open bridges of friendship to other people who live here.
I guess that we must have learned from our civil war in 1975, fighting is not an option, we will end up vanishing ... Just because, western countries are now secular and don't care about Christianity in the East.And the other religious groups are supported by their arabic and persian entourage.
So, the right option is to open bridges of friendship with the people who are willing to accept our friendship ...

At the end, I guess that FPM is not a perfect political party ... But at least it is the best in the Lebanese political scene.
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1) The internal election in FPM will be held before the 2009 election.However, it won't be done as the way it should be. In fact ,there was some issues concerning this internal election because it was used by the opponents media to promote that FPM is divided. I guess,democratic procedures and internal elections inside a party are new to the lebanese political scene.And I hope that this step by FPM would push other political parties to do the same.
Someone said that elections will be held shortly. I'll wait
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2) and 3) This is my point of view concerning your second and third point:

In the 90's and untill 05', Hariri,Junblatt,Berri,kanso,SSNP,Murr,... all of them where having their part of the cake from the syrian. Hariri and Jumblatt were able to change side because of their political and religious representations. Kanso, SSNP, wahhab did not change side ...
After '05, everything has changed , now Syria is out and as Jumblatt and Hariri, the others have the right to exist in the lebanese political scene
FPM didn't made alligience to them ... For them, it is more like the "enemy" of my "enemy" is my "friend". So, I guess its ok if they wanted to vote for FPM.
Noone is saying anything about them being Syrian or not, it's about being clean or not.

If they have the right to exist, than let them do it on their own, FPM should be there stopping them, not even ignoring them since they are part of these corrupt people we'd like to put in jail.

As for the saying: "The ennemy of my ennemy is my friend", well I don't think it works in politics, especially not in this case.


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4) and 5) and 6)
FPM is supposed to be a secular party. However, a secular party can hardly survive in a religious society. So FPM ideology is nothing but a scyzophrenic ideology between a secular party and a Christian party.
Since FPM won in 2005 the Christian areas, so FPM felt that he must be defending the Christian causes with keeping its secular ideologies for the "right moment".

And i guess, the right formulas for the Christian to survive in the Middle east is to open bridges of friendship to other people who live here.
I guess that we must have learned from our civil war in 1975, fighting is not an option, we will end up vanishing ... Just because, western countries are now secular and don't care about Christianity in the East.And the other religious groups are supported by their arabic and persian entourage.
So, the right option is to open bridges of friendship with the people who are willing to accept our friendship ...

At the end, I guess that FPM is not a perfect political party ... But at least it is the best in the Lebanese political scene.
No political party is perfect, but the duality in FPM's message is shocking.

Why should someone trust a party that doesn't stand to its principles ?

I am a non-christian FPM supporter, yet all I hear from the FPM is christian this and christian that. w ana chou ? Kess emmé ?
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Someone said that elections will be held shortly.

Noone is saying anything about them being Syrian or not, it's about being clean or not.

If they have the right to exist, than let them do it on their own, FPM should be there stopping them, not even ignoring them since they are part of these corrupt people we'd like to put in jail.

As for the saying: "The ennemy of my ennemy is my friend", well I don't think it works in politics, especially not in this case.


No political party is perfect, but the duality in FPM's message is shocking.

Why should someone trust a party that doesn't stand to its principles ?

I am a non-christian FPM supporter, yet all I hear from the FPM is christian this and christian that. w ana chou ? Kess emmé ?
Unfortunately, In Lebanon you can't put anybody in jail. If you want to put any leader in jail for the corruption(7atta law 3indak video la ilo 3amb yesro2), it will be considered as offending his religion. Can you put Jumblatt in Jail ? Hariri ? Berri ? Murr ? You will be offending respectevely the Druzes, Sunni , Shia m Orthodox ...
And I guess FPM must stop saying enno baddo y7eseb .. this is impossible in Lebanon.
The best thing we can do , is from now on, we will stop people from stealing and we will fight corruption ... What happens in the past is done! Even if this is not fair and not just !

For Kanso, SSNP ... they consider it this way "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" , That is why they will probably vote in favor of FPM. knowing that FPM never supported them and never asked anything from them.


Man ... Lets face the awful truth in lebanon :
Lebanon is not ready for secularlism , at least in the 10,20 years to come.
Lets face it ...

I beleive that the first step toward secularlism is to build some bridges of trust between the lebanese religious groupe and I really support what FPM has done so far toward this.

As I said before, FPM has won the election in the Christian areas and they need to represent the people who voted for them. I guess if FPM won in Tripoli, they must represent the Sunni of Tripoli ...

I am not FPM , I never was ... I live in the US and probably won't come in spring to vote. Because I personally consider that 80% of the Lebanese does not belong to Lebanon. They belong to Vatican , KSA , Iran , .. more than they belong to Lebanon

Bass i support FPM just because I don't want bad people (zo3ran) who are using el to7rid el ghara2izeh dodd el shia , who are supported blindly by the Church to arrive to power.W ekher hammeh eza woslo , bel niheyeh , el cha3eb ra7 yedfa3 el taman ...
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Someone said that elections will be held shortly. I'll wait

Noone is saying anything about them being Syrian or not, it's about being clean or not.

If they have the right to exist, than let them do it on their own, FPM should be there stopping them, not even ignoring them since they are part of these corrupt people we'd like to put in jail.

As for the saying: "The ennemy of my ennemy is my friend", well I don't think it works in politics, especially not in this case.




No political party is perfect, but the duality in FPM's message is shocking.

Why should someone trust a party that doesn't stand to its principles ?

I am a non-christian FPM supporter, yet all I hear from the FPM is christian this and christian that. w ana chou ? Kess emmé ?

NO inta mish ... immak but did it ever accure to you that this might be part of the plan to secure the highest number of seets for FPM lets face it at this point of time we can only win seets in our ereas and support Alies in other areas we do not have the power to win in Sunnis or Shi3a areas but we are able to tip the Balace their for the concentration have to be in the Area where FPM can or try to Win and with all the opposition we have and every one wont to bring us down to our knees it look logical to try to keep the number off our supporters high at this stage and unfortunatly this is the way
our streets tick they need to feel that someone is defending their rights and since the crhistian oposition can't make any changes i think FPM is taking the opertunity to highlight this issues or demands even so they know that at this point of time they cannot be met its all about takticks and how to make your opponent weeker my freind as for non crhistians the time will tell if FPM changed or not
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