LF and Kataeb recruiting: is it a zero-sum game?

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by roch10452

You didnt get my point

Yes i did get your point.

You're only good at forgeries,lies and deceptions,and you always try to take credit for other's achievements.

Very clear.

Originally Posted by roch10452

Our Principles are the same
Our Goals are the same
We dont want things different then you do
we want to live here in peace and dignity

what differs is that you beleive the Hezbo way will get us this
we beleive the economic way and the international relations will get us this

your plan is based on constant war and terror, might work, it worked for 50 years between the USA and USSR
but we are not into loosing 1500 lives every 2 years, we want to try the europeen way, a none war addicted people, working for a strong economy and making the life of their citizen better

That's all bla bla bla and empty talk.Ma Byensarafo Be Wala Ma7all Habibeh.

Just post your "political program" if you have any,and let others judge on it.

Do you have a political program?

PS:Don't go copy and paste the political program of FPM please,we had enough of your forgeries.

[zodiac]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

Yes i did get your point.

You're only good at forgeries,lies and deceptions,and you always try to take credit for other's achievements.

Very clear.



That's all bla bla bla and empty talk.Ma Byensarafo Be Wala Ma7all Habibeh.

Just post your "political program" if you have any,and let others judge on it.

Do you have a political program?

PS:Don't go copy and paste the political program of FPM please,we had enough of your forgeries.

AS, no political party would have survived 73 years without a political program, the kataeb may have the clearest vision of what Lebanon should be, kataeb was founded to deffend the pure lebanese concept, a Lebanon independent and strong wheere lebanese owe loyalty just to this piece of heaven! u may not know that, but PG senior made men out from christians in lebanon after 70 years of coma (since 1860), and managed to bring them back their dignity and pride and strengh! that the kataeb i know, i know the kataeb who deffended lebanon in 1949, 1958, 1961, 1969, 1970s era and managed to be the most popular and loved party in lebanon with more than 200000 card holders partisans.. and when the danger turned to be immense, the LF was created!
i will never doubt the concept of the kataeb or LF but what happened in the eighties and nineties, with rotten leaderships een in AG or SG teams, made people hate kataeb and lf.. its not theconcept, nor the history or the name that ppl hatd during more then 2 decades, its rather the rotten leaderships and the za3ranet that happened during the war... a militia could not be loved forever specialy if it contains some a**holes in it! and unfortunately thats what happened!

[King Rami]

Originally Posted by roch10452

You didnt get my point

Our Principles are the same
Our Goals are the same
We dont want things different then you do
we want to live here in peace and dignity

what differs is that you beleive the Hezbo way will get us this
we beleive the economic way and the international relations will get us this

your plan is based on constant war and terror, might work, it worked for 50 years between the USA and USSR
but we are not into loosing 1500 lives every 2 years, we want to try the europeen way, a none war addicted people, working for a strong economy and making the life of their citizen better

here lies the problem: you don't know anything about lebanon and you want it to be like any European country.. badkon choghel ktir ba3ed, respect the heterogeneity of this country, try to accept it and stop linking/comparing it to any other country.

[arman-i]

Originally Posted by zodiac

AS, no political party would have survived 73 years without a political program, the kataeb may have the clearest vision of what Lebanon should be, kataeb was founded to deffend the pure lebanese concept, a Lebanon independent and strong wheere lebanese owe loyalty just to this piece of heaven! u may not know that, but PG senior made men out from christians in lebanon after 70 years of coma (since 1860), and managed to bring them back their dignity and pride and strengh! that the kataeb i know, i know the kataeb who deffended lebanon in 1949, 1958, 1961, 1969, 1970s era and managed to be the most popular and loved party in lebanon with more than 200000 card holders partisans.. and when the danger turned to be immense, the LF was created!
i will never doubt the concept of the kataeb or LF but what happened in the eighties and nineties, with rotten leaderships een in AG or SG teams, made people hate kataeb and lf.. its not theconcept, nor the history or the name that ppl hatd during more then 2 decades, its rather the rotten leaderships and the za3ranet that happened during the war... a militia could not be loved forever specialy if it contains some a**holes in it! and unfortunately thats what happened!

ok, mazbout 100%, but we are in 2009 , and what is remaining of the political program that lasted for decades?????????

all what is given now is SAAD HARIRI/KSA ideas no more. w fihmak kféyé

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by arman-i

ok, mazbout 100%, but we are in 2009 , and what is remaining of the political program that lasted for decades?????????

all what is given now is SAAD HARIRI/KSA ideas no more. w fihmak kféyé

Now the political program is Ammoune's survival, at any cost!

[J_Raad1450]

otv
شَهِدَت تكميليةُ الشياح الثانية للبنات، والمعروفة باسم ثانوية مدام غانم في عين الرمانة، محاولةً لتعكيرِ صفوفِها، بعدما عَمَدَت يومَ الجمعة الماضي، مجموعاتٌ من طلابِها من القواتِ اللبنانية والكتائب الى تنظيمِ اعتصامٍ على خلفيَّةِ الاحتجاج على السبحات المزيَّفَة التي تَحمِلُ صورَةَ الأمين العام لحزب الله السيد حسن نصر الله . حيث عَمَدَ بعضُ هؤلاء الى توجيهِ الشتائم والكلام النابي الى طلابٍ من غير الطائفَةِ المسيحية، مهدِّدينَ ومتوعِّدينَ اياهم. كما وصفوهم بالطلاب غير المرغوب بهم، الى حدِّ الطلب من بعضِهِم تركَ المدرسة والذهاب لمتابَعَةِ الدراسة في مدارس العماد ميشال عون - كما قالوا.

[Tayyar Keserwen]

Originally Posted by J_Raad1450

otv
شَهِدَت تكميليةُ الشياح الثانية للبنات، والمعروفة باسم ثانوية مدام غانم في عين الرمانة، محاولةً لتعكيرِ صفوفِها، بعدما عَمَدَت يومَ الجمعة الماضي، مجموعاتٌ من طلابِها من القواتِ اللبنانية والكتائب الى تنظيمِ اعتصامٍ على خلفيَّةِ الاحتجاج على السبحات المزيَّفَة التي تَحمِلُ صورَةَ الأمين العام لحزب الله السيد حسن نصر الله . حيث عَمَدَ بعضُ هؤلاء الى توجيهِ الشتائم والكلام النابي الى طلابٍ من غير الطائفَةِ المسيحية، مهدِّدينَ ومتوعِّدينَ اياهم. كما وصفوهم بالطلاب غير المرغوب بهم، الى حدِّ الطلب من بعضِهِم تركَ المدرسة والذهاب لمتابَعَةِ الدراسة في مدارس العماد ميشال عون - كما قالوا.

Geagea and his forces were and remain the most dangerous threat to the Christian community in Lebanon (J_Raad1450)

[Bala Habal]

I am not asking about your principles or values or what gives you comfort and inner peace. I am asking simple, practical questions which most respondents avoided. Let me reiterate:

The Kataeb and LF have traditionally always had the same popular base, considering that one was just the military arm of the other. Today they operate as separate political parties, with historically antagonistic leaders, yet they appeal to the same mindset and draw from coinciding bases.

1. Are they in conflict? Does a recruiting victory for one come at the expense of the other? Is there any jealousy or animosity between the activists in the two parties?

2. How do people who are sympathetic to the two parties' ideas choose which one they are affiliated with? Perhaps some of their supporters on here can tell us: what made you choose Kataeb over LF or vice-versa?

3. Seeing as they are competing for the limited share of March 14 Christians in power, how do the two parties agree on how to split it? What binds them together when each has something to gain from the other's setbacks?

4. Can the LF's recent "crusade" about the rosary and music video be seen from the point of view of trying to one-up the Kataeb when it comes to who is more hostile to Shia Muslims, as well as their eternal Jihad against FPM?

Please don't give me some schtick about world peace, feeding hungry orphans in New Guinea, or holding hands and singing "B7ibbak ya Lubnan".

[FBM]

the relationship between LF and KTB is like the relationship between HA and amal

[Bala Habal]

As the elections draw nearer, do we see tension between the two parties as to who gets to run where? Do Kataeb really want Eddy Abillama in the Metn, or do they not think he can carry his own weight? What about Samer Saade versus Antoine Zahra? And will they fight over the Maronite seat in Tripoli which is within the gift of Sheikh Saad, or the Maronite seats in Shouf which are in the gift of Walid Beik?