Lebanon needs new political parties

[julien]

Une très grande question que celle-la.

Le Liban a besoin d'une profonde recomposition du paysage politique.
Et pour cela, les partis existants doivent couper leurs liens avec leurs parrains régionaux, adopter un système laïque et ensuite clarifier leurs positions idéologiques.

Parce qu'en prenant au pied de la lettre les chartes de certains partis, il y a de quoi avoir le vertige.
Avec leur slogan, "Dieu, famille, patrie", les Kataeb ont crée un national-socialisme chrétien très original, pour ne pas dire dangereux.
Le Parti Socialiste Progressiste de Joumblatt soutient une politique libérale et réactionnaire. Et je peux multiplier les exemples avec les FL, le Hezbollah et le PSNS.

Alors comment faire ?
D'abord, rendre les partis libanais imperméables aux influences extérieures pour consolider l'Etat et la Nation, donc pour affaiblir les communautés et les leaders de clans aux intérêts égocentriques et clientélistes.

Ensuite, déconfessionaliser l'État, écarter la religion de la politique car les concepts de l'éternel et du missionnaire sont incompatibles avec la gestion permanente d'un pays et la notion de citoyenneté.

Enfin, clarifier les positions idéologiques pour que le peuple libanais fasse le choix entre des projets nationaux, élise son président et sanctionne le gouvernement aux élections d'après.

Ça, c'était l'utopie. Maintenant, la réalité d'aujourd'hui.
N'oublions pas que les partis politiques sont le reflet de la société. Si une personne ne se reconnait dans aucun des partis engagés, il a deux solutions : soit il vote blanc, soit il ne vote pas.

[JD06]

Originally Posted by Armenian

- One of my reponsibles in the party in Lebanon was NOT Armenian...
- The leader of the Tashnag Party in Iraq, couple of years ago, was not Armenian and not even christian...

Any one adopting the By-Law and accepting the principles and ideology can become a member of Tashnag Party.

If you read the by law from A to Z you will not find one link between religion and the Party.

This is not a joke btw its a fact... I know that truth hurts but it's ok...

Thank you!!

with all due respect to tachnag, even the lf tell us thy used to have muslim members, so having one person who wasnt armenian doesnt make u a secular party. and using the person who started the threads logic u can actually say tht the lebanese forces are also secular because they once had a leader tht wasnt maronite. and please dont compare sunni and chia to armenian catholic and armenian orthodox, the differences between thm are only religious while the main difference between sunni and shia in lebanon today are political and thr has been recent blood tht has been spilt between thm. so its a much deeper issue.

[M@rshall]

Originally Posted by Fedayi

Lebanon has more than 100 political organizations .
Most of the strong parties or movements belong to 8 March coalition or to 14 March coalition .
Most of the parties are sectarian parties ,except SSNP,Communist party,People's party,the Armenian parties,and other few parties.
My point is that many people complain about the sectarianism of the Lebanese parties ,and very few notice that the main political movements or parties are led by one person or one family.Thus ,the leaders of these parties/movements are always elected as the leaders of their respective parties/movements ,to mention some of them :Saad Hariri,Walid Junblatt,Samir Ja3ja3,Amin Gemayel,Michel Aoun,Nabih Berri,Sleiman Frangieh,Talal Arslan,etc....
Why do you people join parties/movements where you will always be the follower of the leader? Where is the democracy in that?
Lebanon will not be a democratic civilized country ,until this structure is abolished.
Lebanon is not run by political parties unfortuneatly ,it is led by feudal lords ,who gather sectarian people around them and pretend that they are a political party.And all of the supporters chant bel rou7 beddam mnftik ya za3im,which reminds me Bashar Assad,Sadddam Hussein and the Baath system .
If you want a democratic Lebanon you must have a healthy political structure ,unless you will be like the other Arab countries.
Lebanon needs a revolution !
Stop following your feudal leaders ("za3ims") like sheeps wether they were right or wrong ,go and elect new people as your party/movement leaders ,forget about political/feudal families (Sham3oun,Karame,Frangieh,Edde,Gemayel,etc..)

I believe that this political feudalism issue is more dangerous than the sectarianism ,though both of them are wrong .
Before electing the members of the new parliament ,learn how to elect the head of your own party ,and stop following the za3im !

as a simple reply to your thread's title, i only have to say the following:
"lebanon has too much of democracy but too little of freedom, much less of patriotism (with a few exceptions), and barely a pinch of farseighted politicians. so more political parties would mean: more sectarianism, more wars and hatress spread among these 4 million lebanese. i'd rather the government ( a decent one to come) shuts half of these parties and put others on probation, because we are an amnesic nation, we are tribes with the memory of a gold fish, and i recommed we be ruled by a strict dictator for the next 50 years, so that a new generation would have grown up, unconditionned, unaffected by our bloody and barbaric past, and able to seize power and plant the seeds of new Ceadars.

regards

[Libnene Qu7]

As long as most of the Lebanese people are religious, political parties can never become secular. Non-sectarianism is just a waste of time at the moment, it'll never happen in our lifetime.

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by Libnene Qu7

As long as most of the Lebanese people are religious, political parties can never become secular. Non-sectarianism is just a waste of time at the moment, it'll never happen in our lifetime.

more than half of the lebanese christians dont even go to the church

and more than half of the lebanese muslims dont go to mosques. The

leaders are the ones gaining by portraying the conflict as muslim-christian

or whatever, and thats the only way they could keep their positions as

leaders.

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

more than half of the lebanese christians dont even go to the church

and more than half of the lebanese muslims dont go to mosques. The

leaders are the ones gaining by portraying the conflict as muslim-christian

or whatever, and thats the only way they could keep their positions as

leaders.

Including FPM and GMA who have proven to be same old same old, like every other backwards party in Lebanon. Lebanon needs a new secular democratic nationalist party.

[M@rshall]

Originally Posted by xcoder

The sure thing is that we need a secular party who can face sectarianism especially after FPM adopted the sectarian speech.

my friend,
FPM is IN THE MUD of a sectarian country so, it is mandatory for him, to adopt a slightly sectarian approach to issues ( it is called playing by the rules of the majority, even if the rules are rotten and unfair), if it wants to succeed and seize the power. it is the only way FPM will have the opportunityto implement its views, its by playing according to the current rules, winning, to be able to change them later on.

furthermore, shifting from secterianismto secularism can never be successful, if there is a whole community thathas been marginalized for the last one and a half decades: the Christian community. balancing the powers of communities, i.e: resetting the counters to zero for everyone, IS A PREREQUISITE FOR A SUCCESSFUL SHIFT TOWARDS SECULARISM, and i believe this is exactly what FPM is doing.

regards.

[Fedayi]

Fox , I have a question for all of you:
what do you think about the fact that most of the Lebanese parties have dictator leaders?
Followers of GMA don't get me wrong I respect you ,but don't you think that GMA is a dictator ?And how do you differ yourselves than PSP,FM,LF,Phalanges party,AMAL,etc..?since you follow a leader and worship him.Why don't you make internal elections and choose a new president or even GMA himself?
I hope FPM doesn't turn out to be a typical Lebanese feudal political party .
Where is the democracy in the Lebanese political parties?
They are za3ims(feudal families) with followers rather than political organizations ! With all due respect to the exceptions !

[KingNothing]

Originally Posted by M@rshall

my friend,
FPM is IN THE MUD of a sectarian country so, it is mandatory for him, to adopt a slightly sectarian approach to issues ( it is called playing by the rules of the majority, even if the rules are rotten and unfair), if it wants to succeed and seize the power. it is the only way FPM will have the opportunityto implement its views, its by playing according to the current rules, winning, to be able to change them later on.

furthermore, shifting from secterianismto secularism can never be successful, if there is a whole community thathas been marginalized for the last one and a half decades: the Christian community. balancing the powers of communities, i.e: resetting the counters to zero for everyone, IS A PREREQUISITE FOR A SUCCESSFUL SHIFT TOWARDS SECULARISM, and i believe this is exactly what FPM is doing.

regards.

Well FPM previously fared well without a sectarian approach so I don't see the need for one now!

Now to go back to the original question. Parties are made by supporters and not vice versa. You start with secular people and then you end up with a secular party. I think the key is to start with some grassroots movements and take it from there and this is impossible without a fair electoral law since it's very unlikely to ever have a stronghold of secular liberal people....People who refuse this disgusting status quo and reject all those corrupt feudal leaders should start meeting and get organized.

[Fedayi]

Most of the main Lebanese political parties are not made by people ,they are made by feudal lords and war lords.
Whatever the za3im of the party says the members of the party and the supporters follow him like sheeps !That's why we witnessed a civil war for 30 years for stupid reasons !
The foreigners give the order ,the za3ims obey and the people follow the za3ims like sheeps .