Lebanese living outside will vote

[Amirkani]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

Let me try to explain what i have in mind:

This representative will and should be one that is from the same electoral base,in order for him to carry their message and aspirations and demands and representation perfectly.

(It does not mean that he cannot be part of any Lebanese political party of course)

The reason is,that with time,the diaspora community develops a special social fabric,that has special needs and special demands.

Now,

Creating a ministry to address those needs and demands is not necessary,since we already have the foreign affairs ministry.We can just make it function as it should.

But this will never be enough and will never match a direct representation in parliament.

Because a good and active deputy would himself be a better person to represent them,and will probably be the best to carry their message,being himself one of them.

On the other hand and from a pure practical point,Lebanon has every interest to keep his diaspora in touch.

If you just give people the right to vote,without giving them a special seat,just for them,in time,they will be less and less to participate,especially that they cannot effectively feel the utility of their vote,since it is mixed with insiders vote,and it goes for someone that they mostly never saw,never knew,and will probably never see or know.

But if you give them their own seat...They will feel perfectly represented as full partners,fully sharing the assembly,and will probably feel much more closer,and much more in contact with Lebanon.

Which is the real goal that the whole process should be aiming for.

What you are asking for here, I would categorize under "enticements" not under "rights".

There are many other effective ways to "entice" the expatriates to stay in touch with, invest in, or come back to Lebanon.

But first give them their "rights"... the basic right to vote. I think this will be the first, largest and best "enticement".

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[BOILER]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

AND Who is Gonna Monitor these Elections??? How do The Lebanese Parties Know that elections in a certain country were not Rigged?? As far as i know Each Leb Party or Movmnt Wants to Monior the Integrety Of these Elections closely BUT some cannot Send Their Groups Outside lebanon, Besides You want the LEBS in Saudi OR SYria TO VOTE in those ANTI-Democratic Countries and get fair results.

Lebanese in Syria could easily come here.
In Saudiarabia, they could vote freely in the embassy.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by BOILER

Lebanese in Syria could easily come here.
In Saudiarabia, they could vote freely in the embassy.

That answers Nothing. TRUST ME IT DOES'NT.

Lots of Parties will not accept it.

[>Watani<]

Originally Posted by boiler

you're forgetting something here.
They are already found '' 3a lawayi7 elshatib'' but the majority don't come and vote.

ونسيت أمراً هاماً

حسمت اللجنة مسألة التقسيمات الادارية ومسألة اعتماد الهوية اللبنانية كبطاقة انتخابية

فمن لا يحمل الهوية اللبنانية وليس إخراج القيد، لن يستطيع أن يدلي بصوته

[Amirkani]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

AND Who is Gonna Monitor these Elections??? How do The Lebanese Parties Know that elections in a certain country were not Rigged?? As far as i know Each Leb Party or Movmnt Wants to Monior the Integrety Of these Elections closely BUT some cannot Send Their Groups Outside lebanon, Besides You want the LEBS in Saudi OR SYria TO VOTE in those ANTI-Democratic Countries and get fair results.

Who monitors the elections in a Lebanese village where 95% of the voters vote for the same candidate or political line?

The hosting countries have nothing to do with you once you're inside the Embassy.

Your fears are like saying that the choices of Americans who vote in the US Embassies in Lebanon or Saudi Arabia are affected or influenced by their fear of the Lebanese State or the Saudi State or al-Qaeda or HA or LF or FPM...

Shou khass? you go inside the embassy and cast a "secret" ballot.

If there are voting irregularities, they won't be any different than the ones you would encounter inside Lebanon.

Also, as for parties' monitoring representatives, they all have local ones... and if certain candidates don't have a local representative, it means they have no supporters in that city/country who would vote for them... so what the heck would those particular candidates need to monitor?



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[BOILER]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

That answers Nothing. TRUST ME IT DOES'NT.

Lots of Parties will not accept it.

what's your problem exactly?
Someone mawjoud 3a lawayi7 elshatib, why do you want to neglect his right to vote?
Everyone who wants to participate, should inform the concerned embassy within a specific period of time set by the lebanese government.
If he's allowed to vote, the lebanese government will send him a notification.
It seems after today's meeting, all parties agreed on that.
We still have time to make the necessary preperations.

وكما بات معلوما ان موضوع الاقتراع لمن هو مسجل في لوائح الشطب هو حق دستوري اكان هذا الشخص مقيم في وطنه لبنان او في الخارج لذلك كان همنا منذ البداية ايجاد الآلية والوسائل السهلة والمبسطة من اجل ان يتم اقتراع هذا الناخب ولو كان موجودا خارج لبنان، وبالتالي موضوع بهذا الحجم متمسك به معالي وزير الداخلية الدكتور زياد بارود ومصر عليه، خصوصا انه من بين من شاركوا في وضع مشروع معالي الوزير فؤاد بطرس وكذلك فان اعضاء اللجنة ايضا مهتمون بضرورة تأمين الوسائل الفضلى لتسهيل مهمة المتواجدين خارج لبنان من اجل ان يقوموا بهذا الواجب المقدس. وسيصار الى ارسال كتاب من وزير الداخلية الى وزارة الخارجية حول بعض الاسئلة المحددة من اجل تأمين هذه الآلية بالحد الادنى وسيوجه الكتاب خلال 24 ساعة وننتظر جواب وزارة الخارجية ايضا خطيا للجنة حتى يبنى على الشيء مقتضاه، حتى لا نتسرع وننسف موضوع الاقتراع خارج لبنان لاننا تسرعنا بشيء معين وتعلمون ان لدى لبنان قناصل وسفارات معتمدة في اكثر من مئتي بلد اجنبي وسيتم الاقتراع مبدئيا، بموجب بطاقة الهوية لمن لديه هوية، ومن ليس لديه هوية فيمكن ان يقترع بموجب جواز السفر اللبناني، لكن الموضوع الاساس هو ان يتقدم المقيم في الخارج من السفارة او القنصلية التابع لها بالتعريف عن نفسه وبأنه مقيم مع عنوانه وبأنه راغب في الاقتراع محل اقامته لانه لا يستطيع ان يقترع مرتين، عندها تراسل السفارات او القنصليات وزارة الداخلية ضمن المهلة المحددة لمن يرغب ان يسجل اسمه للاقتراع وثم وضع قوائم اسمية هنا للمقيمين خارج لبنان وتعود ترسل الى هناك حتى يستطيعوا تنظيم عملية كيف يتم الاقتراع واين سيتم وما هو عدد المقترعين لوضع الامكانات اللازمة لتسهيل اقتراعهم سواء لجهة المساحة او لجهة الموظفين لدى السفارات والقنصليات التي يقتضي تأمينها قبل موعد الانتخابات لذلك اقرينا بالتفاصيل الوسائل التي يمكن ان نقرها وننتظر كما قلت كتاب وزير الداخلية الى وزارة الخارجية وجواب الخارجية على الاسئلة المحددة التي ستوجه في خلال 24 ساعة

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Amirkani

Who monitors the elections in a Lebanese village where 95% of the voters vote for the same candidate or political line?

The hosting countries have nothing to do with you once you're inside the Embassy.

Your fears are like saying that the choices of Americans who vote in the US Embassies in Lebanon or Saudi Arabia are affected or influenced their fear of the Lebanese State or the Saudi State or al-Qaeda or HA or LF or FPM...

Shou khass? you go inside the embassy and cast a "secret" ballot.

If there are voting irregularities, they won't any different than the ones you would encounter inside Lebanon.

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First of all THEY (the parties) DO MONITOR elections at a small lebanese village, secondly you cannot compare a Lebanese village where 95% of the voters vote for the same candidate To the Lebanese Living in The United Arab Emirate for example OR the people in the US voting for HA.

[BOILER]

Originally Posted by >Watani<

ونسيت أمراً هاماً

حسمت اللجنة مسألة التقسيمات الادارية ومسألة اعتماد الهوية اللبنانية كبطاقة انتخابية

فمن لا يحمل الهوية اللبنانية وليس إخراج القيد، لن يستطيع أن يدلي بصوته

Or a lebanese passport

[Amirkani]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

First of all THEY (the parties) DO MONITOR elections at a small lebanese village

Exactly... they can also monitor the elections in any Embassy even if the Ambassador and all his staff are against them.

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

secondly you cannot compare a Lebanese village where 95% of the voters vote for the same candidate To the Lebanese Living in The United Arab Emirate for example OR the people in the US voting for HA.

Why? Does one need to write on his forehead "I am voting for Hizballah" ?

Again, you go inside the Embassy and cast a "secret" ballot.

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[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by Amirkani

Exactly... they can also monitor the elections in any Embassy even if the Ambassador and all his staff are against them.

Why? Does one need to write on his forehead "I am voting for Hizballah" ?

Again, you go inside the Embassy and cast a "secret" ballot.

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First of all as i have mentionned lots of parties we heard cannot send people to the embassies of the world for many reasons.

Secondly You talk as if everything is supposed to Go smoothly... it's not so simple, You see Lots of **** Happening inside Lebanon during the Elections So Just Imagine Going to the Source Of that ****, Imagine Going to the Client Directly, It's Gonna be the mother of all Crappy elections AND you will see clear variations From country to country (maybe the USA will be the most democratic afterall)