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The results in Alayeh and Shouf cazas could drastically change.
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The results in Alayeh and Shouf cazas could drastically change.
Most of the displaced from the Shouf are registered now in Baabda, Metn and Keserwan...
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Default Here is what i said earlier on the matter of expats right to vote - 2nd September 2008

I am pretty much with the right for Lebanese living abroad to vote provided:

1-There could be a limited number of seats representing them in parliament.

2-The vote takes place only in countries where no Lebanese Party is alienated.(A country where HA for example is banned or considered as terrorist should not be allowed to vote.)

But for the time being,i am with postponing such procedure,only for technical reasons.But a proper plan should be set to prepare for this eventuality within not so long.

Let me make myself clear:

It's not about HA,or any particular group or Party.It's about equal rights and citizenship.


For example,If it's easy for someone to campaign and vote for his party in the US,it is forbidden for someone else to do so,if he supports a party like HA.


If we want people to vote,it should be only on equal ground and with equal rights...

If we want people to campaign,it should be only on equal ground and with equal rights...


Not some campaigning and voting freely and even helped by external governments,while others are chased and harassed or even put in jails for their choices.


Again,

The secrecy of votes,is not the only issue to consider here.Elections are a much more complicated and an ongoing process.

The problem goes beyond the secrecy of votes.

Because elections also mean campaigning and fund raising and involves so much activities,associations,groups...ect...ect...


So a foreign country where all the expats don't have the exact rights and the exact margin of manoeuvrings, should simply not be allowed to vote.


Again and again,and to make my thoughts clearer,

It's not about any particular group or Party.It's only about equal rights and citizenship.


Elections are legitimate and legal...Only and only if,they are run on equal ground and with equal rights among voters.


Elections Cannot take place in without the full respect of the constitutional right of equality.


For example:

Let's say that you're a candidate,running against another candidate,but:

1-You are not given the right to campaign,while your opponent can.

2-You are not given the right to raise funds,while your opponent can.

3-Your asset is frozen as soon as discovered,while your opponent is funded freely.

4-Your electoral base is constantly harassed and threatened of jail and arrestation,while your opponent's electoral base is helped at every state level.

5-You are running the risk to be imprisoned for merely declaring your political affiliation,while your opponent is a friend of the regime.

ect...ect...


Clearly,both candidates are not benefiting of the same conditions.One is deliberately handicapped while the other is rather benefiting from a push.

Under these conditions,no elections can or should ever be held,because it's a blatant breach of basic democratic rules,one of the most important,being the "equality among citizens".

If such elections happen,you can bet that any independent observer will tell you that elections were unfair and illegal.


In any way,you or any other citizen can file an opposition claim,and have such elections nullified and canceled by the competent court.


It's simple.

Nobody ever tackled the issue from that angle,but you can bet that sooner or later,when it will eventually come to organizing elections abroad,each country (electoral district),will have to treat voters and candidates equally,or no elections should be held in it.

A country where a candidate is a friend of the system,and another one is a terrorist,will never be able to offer the required conditions for fair and legal elections process to take place.


Btw,

Not allowing votes to be casted in such countries,is in itself,the application and respect of the principle of equality among all citizens.



Equal rights=Equal chances
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i hope they will do it though and this will give us a great leverage, since sa3doun money will be even harder to reach the people oversees.


Where money can't reach, propaganda will surely preach...

(wow, it rimes)

Unfortunately, even though I recognize the right of the lebanese to vote from abroad (3/4 of my familly live outside Lebanon, including my parents), I'm afraid of their lack of knowledge and critical thinking when it comes to the internal politics of Lebanon... Especially when we know who can influence the most media-wise on the international level by providing overly simplified and subjective accounts of what's happening in Lebanon...
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I agree with Taratamtamtam, I'm almost sure most of the lebanese who left lebanon during the 70s and 80s are still locked in the 70s and 80s intellectual frame : "christian lebanese against palestenians, leftists and their muslim proxies" and that will surely impact the christian vote. Regarding the shiite vote (important in Latin America and in West Africa) I guess nothing will differenciate them from their coreligionners in Lebanon.
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Where money can't reach, propaganda will surely preach...

(wow, it rimes)

Unfortunately, even though I recognize the right of the lebanese to vote from abroad (3/4 of my familly live outside Lebanon, including my parents), I'm afraid of their lack of knowledge and critical thinking when it comes to the internal politics of Lebanon... Especially when we know who can influence the most media-wise on the international level by providing overly simplified and subjective accounts of what's happening in Lebanon...
look let them agree on it and we will work the modalities later
if u want to speak politically, the areas affected are the ones that 14shabtt sunni and druze are the majority anyway.
so any added christian or shia votes is only gain to us.
in jabal no matter what wellou will feel the heat same as akkar and tripoli.
these areas where many of our community where ejected and genocided.
as for africa, europe and middle east i gues everybody there is well connected and knows all the details.
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I hope that it will be possible to vote abroad !!

People outside lebanon are treated in each election (those who don't accept free tickets) as 2nd class citizens.
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No way HA will accept such proposal. Mark my words!
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No way HA will accept such proposal. Mark my words!
FYI, they already did, in February 2006.

Common Understanding between FPM & HA
قانون الانتخاب:

إن إصلاح وانتظام الحياة السياسية في لبنان يستوجبان الاعتماد على قانون انتخاب عصري، قد تكون النسبية أحد اشكاله الفعالة، بما يضمن صحة وعدالة التمثيل الشعبي، ويسهم في تحقيق الامور التالية:
1- تفعيل عمل الاحزاب وتطويرها وصولا الى قيام المجتمع المدني.
2- الحد من تأثير المال السياسي والعصبيات الطائفية.
3- توفر فرص متكافئة لاستخدام وسائل الاعلام المختلفة.
4- تأمين الوسائل اللازمة لتمكين اللبنانيين المقيمين في الخارج من ممارسة حقهم الانتخابي.
إن الحكومة والمجلس النيابي مطالبان بالتزام أقصر المهل الزمنية الممكنة لإقرار القانون الانتخابي المطلوب.
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No way HA will accept such proposal. Mark my words!
Notwithstanding the fact that you always lack the right knowledge when you talk about certain things,yet,may i ask you,based on what did you affirm that?
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