Lebanese Forces Leader Continues to call for Independent Investigative Commission into ALL Civil War Crimes

[Julito]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

nasralla bitros sfeir

I second that one

[ElieCedar]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Chou Jean Valjean el ossa?

DI.. don't fall for those cheap shots. They keep repeating the same fabricated stories and make great threads out of it, but only feeble minds believe them!! This is not a place of objectivity.

There are so called leaders in Lebanon who have caused 100 times more destruction than the LF and Samir Geagea, but unfortunately we cannot start listing those crimes, our posts will not survive this thread!!
Elie

[X]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

DI.. don't fall for those cheap shots. They keep repeating the same fabricated stories and make great threads out of it, but only feeble minds believe them!! This is not a place of objectivity.

There are so called leaders in Lebanon who have caused 100 times more destruction than the LF and Samir Geagea, but unfortunately we cannot start listing those crimes, our posts will not survive this thread!!
Elie

There you go, typical bitter.....

Q - When a bitter can't find an answer, what should he do?
A - He won't answer and blame the Forum and Moderators

Q - When a bitter can't find anything to defend his leader's bloody history, what should he do?
A - He will change the subject from war crimes to destruction

[Nonan]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

DI.. don't fall for those cheap shots. They keep repeating the same fabricated stories and make great threads out of it, but only feeble minds believe them!! This is not a place of objectivity.

There are so called leaders in Lebanon who have caused 100 times more destruction than the LF and Samir Geagea, but unfortunately we cannot start listing those crimes, our posts will not survive this thread!!
Elie

Here is the thing, some people on this forum, me included, lived in the Charkieh during the war. Well before GMA was known for anything else than being the commander of the 8th brigade in Souk el Ghareb or the army commander... We all knew about SG's crimes, Zorro in Chevrolet, el Barbara, Gamma 0, etc. We all knew about Mgr Khoreich, Ghaith Khoury, Gl Ken3an, etc.
We were all "forced" to pay "khouet", we remember how Geagea fled bHamdoun, went to East Saida just to get every christian person there deported, etc... all of that before GMA became Prime Minister... Why do you think people, the "silent majority" spontaneously sided with the Army and GMA? Because they could not take it anymore... just as in any other place in the world (Ireland, Corsica, Colombia, etc.) what started as a popular cause-driven armed movement (although potentially manipulated, but let's not get into that now) became a clanique mafia interested in defending its own self-interest through murder and intidimation, at the expense of the people it "pretended" to defend... It is quite classic actually.

So the LFers can say what they want, those who lived in Charkieh in the 70s and 80s can still remember what was happening then...

[ElieCedar]

Originally Posted by X

There you go, typical bitter.....

Q - When a bitter can't find an answer, what should he do?
A - He won't answer and blame the Forum and Moderators

Q - When a bitter can't find anything to defend his leader's bloody history, what should he do?
A - He will change the subject from war crimes to destruction

sure thing X, this is an FPM forum and bashing the LF is a by-product of the forum. The LF forum was/is guilty of the same. I grant you that.

Back to the topic. There are people accused of assasinating certain figures, and there are others accused of assassinating a "whole country", starting from 1975 till present time. I perfectly understand why an FPM forum is selective and myopic about focusing on one type of crimes and turning a blind eye on another!!
Elie

[Observer]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Samir Geagea is probably the last person I could respect on earth, but here's the thing, since you're so sure that his demand is empty, how about you ask ur MPs to cut him short, draft a law proposal for this issue and present it IN PARLIAMENT (not on TV).

There, we could see if Samir Geagea was truthful about his demand. And since you're so sure that he's not, then at least now you could show it to the world, to him and to his supporters that he's a liar.

I did ask my MP to do it and he promissed that he will raise the issue. I do not hold my hopes high and this is why geagea is demanding it. geagea knows what i know and what a lot of people know: Such an investigation will never see light and this is exactly why geagea is demanding it.

[Observer]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

sure thing X, this is an FPM forum and bashing the LF is a by-product of the forum. The LF forum was/is guilty of the same. I grant you that.

Back to the topic. There are people accused of assasinating certain figures, and there are others accused of assassinating a "whole country", starting from 1975 till present time. I perfectly understand why an FPM forum is selective and myopic about focusing on one type of crimes and turning a blind eye on another!!
Elie

The ones who killed the whole country are the LF PSP mainly. So no matter what kind of crimes we want to look into, LF is a culprit. How about the cooperation of the FM and on top rafik Hariri - whom the LF used to bash the most as a syrian puppet - with Syrians? The utmost hypocrites on this issue are the LF. Suddenly rafik hariri is a martyr for them.

[Nonan]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

sure thing X, this is an FPM forum and bashing the LF is a by-product of the forum. The LF forum was/is guilty of the same. I grant you that.

Back to the topic. There are people accused of assasinating certain figures, and there are others accused of assassinating a "whole country", starting from 1975 till present time. I perfectly understand why an FPM forum is selective and myopic about focusing on one type of crimes and turning a blind eye on another!!
Elie

Why don't we start a thread called famous crimes during the Lebanese war with who were widely "accepted" (I agree it is not a proof) to be the perpetrators?

We would need to distinguish individual crimes (e.g., Rene Moawad, Bechir Gemayel, Dany Chamoun, Tony Frangieh, etc.) from ethnic cleansing (e.g., Black Saturday, Chouf massacres, Damour, Sabra and Chatila, etc.)

I would suggest we only use the two above. Others (e.g., car bombing, kidnapping, armed fighting) occured so frequently between all parties in Lebanon that it would be too hard to count individually, no?

[ElieCedar]

Originally Posted by Nonan

Here is the thing, some people on this forum, me included, lived in the Charkieh during the war. Well before GMA was known for anything else than being the commander of the 8th brigade in Souk el Ghareb or the army commander... We all knew about SG's crimes, Zorro in Chevrolet, el Barbara, Gamma 0, etc. We all knew about Mgr Khoreich, Ghaith Khoury, Gl Ken3an, etc.
We were all "forced" to pay "khouet", we remember how Geagea fled bHamdoun, went to East Saida just to get every christian person there deported, etc... all of that before GMA became Prime Minister... Why do you think people, the "silent majority" spontaneously sided with the Army and GMA? Because they could not take it anymore... just as in any other place in the world (Ireland, Corsica, Colombia, etc.) what started as a popular cause-driven armed movement (although potentially manipulated, but let's not get into that now) became a clanique mafia interested in defending its own self-interest through murder and intidimation, at the expense of the people it "pretended" to defend... It is quite classic actually.

So the LFers can say what they want, those who lived in Charkieh in the 70s and 80s can still remember what was happening then...

I lived in East Beirut and share some of your experiences and obvervations but I also saw the glory and birth of the Christian resistance in mid-70s!! I despised el "Zo@ran" in the LF as much as you did if not more because I have seen it from inside. But I also realized that we didn't have a State we can trust with our security and basic social needs. I have also seen West Beirut and how it was run and who controlled it.....They all had their mafias, it wasn't an exclusive LF thing!!
Elie

[Ra3ed]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

sure thing X, this is an FPM forum and bashing the LF is a by-product of the forum. The LF forum was/is guilty of the same. I grant you that.

Back to the topic. There are people accused of assasinating certain figures, and there are others accused of assassinating a "whole country", starting from 1975 till present time. I perfectly understand why an FPM forum is selective and myopic about focusing on one type of crimes and turning a blind eye on another!!
Elie

so Mr. ElieCedar ,
- the thread was NOT opened by an FPMer
- FPMers and non FPMers answered the opener of the thread , don't be surprised if you throw a stone on the bees that they will watch you
- freedom of speech, for the opener of the thread and those answering him/her , so keep the mods out ...
- if the thread was not opened , none would have reopened such files, ya3ni should we all watch J. Hanna 3am yesra7 w yemra7 without an answer ? ma 3meltou already saint , khedou 2essa sha2leh ... and tell us , no you are not allowed to answer , this is bashing ...