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Default Lebanese Forces Leader Continues to call for Independent Investigative Commission into ALL Civil War Crimes - 17th December 2008

DSG raised this issue again today. Yalla meen natreen? Who is afraid?

He is the ONLY leader to apologize for his mistakes during the war!
He is the ONLY leader to go to prison!

Everyone blames him for every crime ever committed; however, he is the ONLY leader that continues to call for a comprehensive and thorough Independent Investigative Civil War fact-finding Commission.

He is not scared of the TRUTH. He is saying bring it on.



So what are you waiting for?
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So what are you waiting for?
Who is/are the "you"?

We are waiting for nothing, and for sure not waiting for Geagea to ask for an Independent Investigative Commission into ALL Civil War Crimes, we have been asking this for years.

By the way, are they allowed to go deep into the sea and search for dumped containers and check what is inside those containers?

Oh and by the way, will the investigation cover environmental crimes? such as this one: Italian Toxic Waste Still in Lebanon

One last thing, Geagea proving that he is not the only criminal will not change anything, we never said he is the only criminal.

Jumblat is alive and kicking you know....
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Why don't you ask your allies?

Aren't you the majority in the Parliament and in the Government?

Yalla...Go make a proposal law and send it to the parliament and let's see who will vote on it and who won't...Yalla 3ajjil Tan Shouf...Walla Bass 7akeh Ferigh...
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This is from the Green Peace website and official report of the green peace, unless of course the bitters consider them as part of the Syrian Iranian axis:

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In 1987, the Italian company "Jelly Wax" shipped about 15,800 barrels and 20 containers full of these highly toxic wastes to Lebanon. "Jelly Wax" took advantage of the civil war and the state of anarchy in Lebanon that ended after 15 years in 1990. The now disbanded right-wing militia "Lebanese Forces" allowed the transaction and supervised it.
How much money did your doctor receive from "Jelly Wax" in exchange of burying 15800 barrels of toxic wastes in Keserwen and other "Christian" areas his militia were controlling?
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guys u seem to forget, as long as one of his henchmen is the minister of justice geagea can call for any investigation and nothing will point back to him.

that's the beauty of having the ministry of justice, geagea will assure saad that it will always detain the 4 generals without cause in the case of the hariri murder while at the same time geagea can make use of the ministry for his own ends. such as calling for a deep investigation and trial about war crimes that will exonorate him.

he tried the same crepe when the ministry of interior was with them when they started digging for dead bodies in all the wrong places.

that's the LF way for u and that's SG's modus operendi.

the local church's beloved hypocrite disciple.
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June 13, 1978 - Samir Geagea led an attack against Tony Farngieh, a prominent Christian leader of North Lebanon at his summer family house. Franjieh was killed along with dozens of supporters.

September, 1982 – Lebanese Forces militia, of which Geagea was a rising member at that point, participated in massacres against Palestinian refugees in camps in Beirut leaving more than a thousand casualties.

1984 – Assassination of Ghaith Khoury, a potential threat to his command position, outside a beach resort in the Byblos area. Khoury's wife was injured and hospitalized. The wife was later shot on the operation table in the hospital.

March 11, 1985 - Geagea led a bloody coup within his militia in collaboration with Elie Houbeika, which resulted in Houbeika assuming the leadership of the Lebanese Forces Militia.

January 15, 1986 - Geagea led a bloody coup to claim leadership of the Lebanese Forces militia from Houbeika, leaving 600 dead of his own militia in one day. "After Houbeika's ouster, Karim Pakradouni assumed the number two position in the LF behind Geagea. During this period, he was instrumental in cultivating a rapprochement between the LF and Yasser Arafat. In 1987, Pakradouni visited Tunisia to meet Arafat and negotiated a deal whereby the Palestinians paid $15 million to the LF and President [Amine] Gemayel in return for the granting of Lebanese visas to five thousand PLO fighters, which allowed Arafat to reestablish an armed presence in the Palestinian refugee camps. This move dealt a major setback to both Israel, which had driven the PLO out of Beirut in 1982, and Syria, which had subsequently driven Arafat and his remaining loyalists out of north Lebanon." (Middle East Intelligence Bulletin)

1986-1987 - Geagea's militia buried nuclear and chemical wastes in self-controlled region in exchange for millions of dollars. The Lebanese army worked later on removing the wastes and exporting them. "Jelly Wax, an Italian company, had been paying the Christian militia led by Geagea to store the toxics in Lebanon, including in a quarry near Beirut that once held 16,000 barrels and 20 containers of heavy metals, toxic pesticides, and other deadly chemicals. The Italian chemical barrels began to bubble over and explode, so the Lebanese Forces [militia] asked Mr. Pierre Malychef, one of Lebanon's most respected environmental scientists, to test them. He alerted the public that the barrels contain toxic chemicals, and he discovered other dumping sites scattered around the country. The Lebanese Forces [militia] were angered as their pollution kickback was threatened. The government jailed Malychef for a week for allegedly giving false testimony during an investigation of the dumping, but the charges were dropped. Months later, thugs paid by the Lebanese Forces militia severely beat him. By 1986, companies from Germany, Canada, and Belgium, secretly delivered toxic chemicals to other parts of Lebanon. Today, Lebanon is paying the price. According to a World Bank study, toxic dumping, along with Lebanon's own sewage and toxic waste problems, has led to contamination of 70% of the country's drinking water." (Living on Earth)

1986 - Maronite Catholic Monsignor Khreish was kidnapped, tortured and killed for criticizing the acts of the Lebanese Forces militia.

1987 - Geagea assassinated Lebanon's Prime Minister Rachid Karami. Geagea was convicted for this crime in 1995.

1989 - Geagea assassinated Elias Zayek. Geagea was convicted for this crime in 1995.

1989 - 1990 - Geagea's Lebanese Forces militia led an open war against the Lebanese Armed Forces causing hundreds of casualties from the Lebanese Army and civilians over the course of 11 months.

1989 - 1990 - Geagea's Lebanese Forces militia executed tens of arrested Lebanese Army soldiers with bullets to the back of their heads.

1989 - 1990 - Geagea's Lebanese Forces arrested imprisoned and tortured families of Lebanese Army soldiers.

April 18, 1990 - Geagea's snipers attacked a school bus killing eleven and wounding a couple dozens, mostly young students.

October 1, 1990 - Geagea's Lebanese Forces militia attacked a group of civilians, mostly college men and women demonstrating for peace at Nahr el Mawt bridge checkpoint. They killed and wounded over a hundred civilians in 10 minutes.

October 13, 1990 - Geagea's Lebanese Forces militia backed the Syrian army attacks on the Lebanese Presidential Palace and the Defense Ministry with artillery support. The Syrian troops took over the area and committed massacres against the surrendering Lebanese Army troops and civilians. Geagea's militia celebrated the fall of Lebanon and its army to the Syrians all night with gun shots and fireworks.

October, 1990 - Geagea's Lebanese Forces militia killed prominent Christian leader Dany Chamoun with his wife and two children (ages 5 and 7) after the Syrians completely occupied the capital Beirut, and allowed their allies to take revenge. Geagea was convicted for this crime in 1995.

1994 - Geagea was arrested after being accused for the explosion that destroyed a Catholic church killing tens or worshippers. The judges could not convict him "for insufficient evidence," per the official court statement. He was, however, convicted for three other assassination crimes, and was sentenced to death. The sentenced was reduced to lifetime in prison.

July 18, 2005, Geagea was granted a pardon that suspended his life sentence and he was released from jail. The pardon included Geagea and tens of Al Qaeda-inspired extremists who were captured after terrorist attacks against the Lebanese Armed Forces and civilians in 2001.

February 5, 2006 - A couple of the Al Qaeda extremists that were released from prison with Geagea a year before were among hundreds who attacked the Christian neighborhood of Ashrafieh in Beirut, and burnt a church in this riot. Geagea could claim no relation to that incident except that he was on air that day defending these gangsters as "our allies in the March 14 group." An hour later, Geagea was pressured to copy the positions' of Christian leaders that were condemning this violent act. He went on air again, and this time condemned the riot.

January, 2007 - Samir Geagea's supporters shot demonstrators in several regions of Lebanon. At the entry of the city of Byblos, one of Geagea's supporters shot three civilians causing permanent injuries to two, and left the third one in a wheelchair for life.
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Living on Earth: September 11, 1998

Lebanon: Toxic Waste Dumping Ground

CURWOOD: During the chaos of Lebanon's civil war, the Middle Eastern country became a dumping ground for toxic waste. Foreign companies paid off Lebanese militia leaders for, quote, "permission," unquote, to dispose illegally of many kinds of industrial chemicals from European nations, especially from Italy and Germany. Some of these dangerous wastes have been returned to the nations that produced them. But as Reese Erlich reports from Beirut, not all of the imported toxins have been cleaned up.

(Engine and machinery sounds)

HAMDAN: What we're seeing here is big Caterpillars working in a quarry.

ERLICH: Lebanese environmentalist Fuad Hamdan looks on as a bulldozer slowly moves dirt and rock, inching closer to a spot riddled with toxic chemicals. He's a Greenpeace campaigner in Beirut.

HAMDAN: That was in the late 80s the main storage site of about 16,000 barrels of toxic waste from Italy, that were illegally imported from Italy to Lebanon at that time.

ERLICH: The quarry near Beirut once held 16,000 barrels and 20 containers of heavy metals, toxic pesticides, and other deadly chemicals. During Lebanon's civil war, Jelly Wax, an Italian company, paid a right-wing Christian militia group to store the toxics here. In 1996, companies from Germany, Canada, and Belgium, secretly delivered toxic chemicals to other parts of Lebanon. Today, Lebanon is paying the price. According to a World Bank study, toxic dumping, along with Lebanon's own sewage and toxic waste problems, has led to contamination of 70% of the country's drinking water. Wilson Rizk is a Lebanese professor of hydrology who studies water pollution.

RIZK: [Speaks in French] TRANSLATOR: A lot of places scattered all over Lebanon, especially in the mountainous areas, are contaminated with toxic wastes. When you have heavy rain and melting snow, which is often the case in the winter and autumn, you have lots of water carrying the toxics into rivers and into the groundwater as well.

ERLICH: From 1975 until 1990, the country's violent civil war meant there was no central government, let alone environmental controls. So, the toxic dumping went unhindered, with a tragic human cost. In 1987, the Lebanese Forces militia hired a family displaced by the war to guard the Schnanir Quarry. They lived on the site. The head of the family used one of the chemicals to keep off insects, and another as soap. A Franciscan nun, whose school is located less than 100 yards from the quarry, said she tried to warn him.

NUN: [Speaks in Arabic] TRANSLATOR: The man of the family was young and very healthy. We said, "You have to be careful. These chemicals may be very toxic." But the man said, "Don't worry; it's only paint." I told him he shouldn't touch it, but he kept on insisting, "It's only paint. It's not dangerous." Eventually he got cancer. He died 10 months later.

ERLICH: Pierre Malychef owns a pharmacy. He's also one of Lebanon's most respected environmental scientists. Back in 1988, the Italian chemical barrels began to bubble over and explode, so the Lebanese forces asked Mr. Malychef to test them. He alerted the public that the barrels contain toxic chemicals, and he discovered other dumping sites scattered around the country. The Lebanese Forces were not pleased. The government jailed him for a week for allegedly giving false testimony during an investigation of the dumping, but the charges were dropped. Months later, thugs who he says were paid by the Lebanese Forces severely beat him.

MALYCHEF: [Speaks in Arabic] TRANSLATOR: I was finding all this toxic material so quickly. It became a real problem for the Lebanese forces. If the government returned the toxics to Italy, then the Lebanese militias would be obliged to return a big part of the money they got for taking the toxics in the first place. This didn't make them very happy, and they retaliated against me.

ERLICH: Mr. Malychef and other environmentalists weren't intimidated. When the toxic dumping became exposed, the public was outraged. In the midst of the public outcry, the Italian government shipped the waste back to Italy after Jelly Wax refused to act. Lebanon's Minister of Environment, Akram Shouhayeb, explains.

SHOUHAYEB: [Speaks in Arabic] TRANSLATOR: We took out a huge number of toxic barrels and sent them back to Italy, so we dealt with it in a legal and logical way. These toxics entered illegally but they eventually went out legally. But the judicial file is still open for all toxic dumping cases. Investigation is still open because there may be more barrels.

ERLICH: While the investigation may still be technically open, environmentalists say nothing much is being done in practice. Only one person, a Lebanese citizen, was ever charged in connection with any of the toxic dumping cases. Others remain at large. Last year, Lebanon passed a law banning the importation of toxic chemicals. But Professor Rizk says the country needs to further strengthen its environmental laws.

RIZK: [Speaks in French] TRANSLATOR: Anyone involved in the traffic of toxic wastes should be prosecuted. Under the Basel Convention, which bans the export of toxic chemicals, everyone involved in such trafficking should be punished. Unfortunately, our local legislation isn't strong enough. We should strengthen our Lebanese laws to prevent the repetition of this kind of hideous traffic. The current Minister of Environment is full of good intentions, but he doesn't have the necessary laws to really crack down.


ERLICH: The Environment Minister admits that two sites here at the Shnanir Quarry are highly contaminated from the Italian chemicals. He says they'll only clean up one of the sites, however. Greenpeace's Fuad Hamdan doubts that they will really remediate either site.

HAMDAN: One of these days, the two spots will be rehabilitated the Lebanese way, meaning that they will be mixed with the rocks and stones and sent to construction sites to build roads or buildings, endangering, in this way, the workers.

ERLICH: Since the law banning importation of toxic chemicals was passed last year, environmentalists say there have been no new toxics delivered to Lebanon. Containers of Canadian and Belgian toxics have been waiting in the Beirut Harbor and are scheduled for shipment back to their home countries. Lebanese environmentalists say, however, that the government is doing nothing to clean up the quarries and sites where the toxics are contaminating the land and groundwater. For Living on Earth, I'm Reese Erlich in Beirut.
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Any Law expert here?
1. Can Geagea submit a "Ta3en" in all rules convicting him of those crimes?
I guess it depends on the court and crime itself.
so anyone can clarify this?

2. Can the Minister re-open the investigation and files for Geagea?

3. What are the possible ways to Re-Open all the investigations against Geagea?
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Jeez one might occasionally be tempted to think this genre of Geagea bashing threads has been exhausted. But Obviously not. It's just as popular as ever and no amount of repetition could ever dull the enthusiasm.
For someone who can only manage a couple of seats in his own fortress, he most certainly is giving the FPM a good run for its money.

let's see if someone has something original to say this week.
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DSG raised this issue again today. Yalla meen natreen? Who is afraid?

He is the ONLY leader to apologize for his mistakes during the war!
He is the ONLY leader to go to prison!

Everyone blames him for every crime ever committed; however, he is the ONLY leader that continues to call for a comprehensive and thorough Independent Investigative Civil War fact-finding Commission.

He is not scared of the TRUTH. He is saying bring it on.



So what are you waiting for?

El hay2a newe y fout e3dem hal marra.

If he does so i will become an LF supporter.
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