LCP candidates

[hussein07]

do you know why? because you refused to take a communist candidate in the same list with the opposition?
and know you are doing the same mistake
and by the way do you know for whom the LCP vote in the maten 2007 election?
it was the communist voice in maten who helped the tayyer to win
so the problem is that you want the LCP voices but you dont want an LCP candidate, ( you means the opposition)

[shadow1]

Yalla 3a 2awlet l matal, l 7ayt l wati meen ma ken bifizzou.

Communism isnt sexy anymore bass on popularity ground they probably have more members than the kitleh watanyyeh and A7rar.

Allah yse3ed l FPM keef badda tradi all those they took under their wings. No wonder 2adi liwled shana2 7elou.

[BEAST]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

I think Francois Hallal is Baath and not LCP. Anyways Ive been speaking
with communists and it seems like they will boycott the elections even
if the party doesnt. They strongly oppose the 1960 sectarian law
and I cant blame them, it simply contradicts their principles. The LCP
party and supporters are very idealistic, and I have no idea where they
will reach with that kind of thinking.

Ok samer you just made me take out the big guns :P
a couple friends of mine play in Jazz band. a few years ago, the late George Hawi called them and told them that he needs them to play at the opening of a new restaurant he rented in Klei3at. after they were done playing, they sat with him at a table and they started talking about the restaurant. they were flabbergasted to hear George Hawi, the president of the LEBANESE COMMUNIST PARTY, tell them: "yes, my restaurant is for high class people only; well, of course it is; after all, we offer nothing but champagne, salmon, and caviar!" the restaurant ended up being closed down 2 or 3 months later.
Power To The people!!
so please LCPers and other people, don't come to me talking about sticking to ideals and principles, and about the boycotting issue, well, yeah right, if their elections boycott is similar to their boycott of imperialist products, then their electoral participation will be substantial
oh and btw samer, the day francois hallal attempted to assassinate GMA, George Hawi (el chahid el batal) had a very famous statement that we all remember...do i rly have to remind everyone of what he said?
so there, i said it, let's hear it from LCP suppporters...

[Greg Davis]

Originally Posted by Shuyu3i

I just want to say that I am really angry with what the opposition is doing to the LCP (Lebanese Communist Party). They have stabbed them in the back as they stabbed Naja7 Wakim in the Beirut by-election. SHN said that who stands by the resistance will be rewarded. We believe those words and nothing. He wants to give us 1 MP and FPM gave us none. They rather the SSNP than the LCP. Fine. The LCP should boycott this election!!!

Sorry Shuyu3i

It the the Lebanese public who give and take seats. Seats that are are appointed are controlled and innefective.

Why do you think Jumblat and Berri are so hesitant to forgo seats in their electorate, particularly to political parties they cannot control.

Even If they gave you a seat, what the hell could you do with this seat?

If you want my opinion, any political party that cannot win its seats fair and square by the demographics it represents, should just give up and retire.

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by BEAST

Ok samer you just made me take out the big guns :P
a couple friends of mine play in Jazz band. a few years ago, the late George Hawi called them and told them that he needs them to play at the opening of a new restaurant he rented in Klei3at. after they were done playing, they sat with him at a table and they started talking about the restaurant. they were flabbergasted to hear George Hawi, the president of the LEBANESE COMMUNIST PARTY, tell them: "yes, my restaurant is for high class people only; well, of course it is; after all, we offer nothing but champagne, salmon, and caviar!" the restaurant ended up being closed down 2 or 3 months later.
Power To The people!!
so please LCPers and other people, don't come to me talking about sticking to ideals and principles, and about the boycotting issue, well, yeah right, if their elections boycott is similar to their boycott of imperialist products, then their electoral participation will be substantial
oh and btw samer, the day francois hallal attempted to assassinate GMA, George Hawi (el chahid el batal) had a very famous statement that we all remember...do i rly have to remind everyone of what he said?
so there, i said it, let's hear it from LCP suppporters...

baddak t2awwis 3a ibn manta2tak?:p

I agree, george hawi and other lcp leaders have nothing to do with
communism. I know what type of person he was, the villa he lived in
and the fancy parties he used to have, but I was pointing out
directly to LCP supporters who actually stick to their principles and
dare to oppose their party's decisions and the latest one is shuyo3i
and other communists I know who will boycott the elections. I always
differentiate between their leaders and their base.

Shuyoo3i, the only parties who genuinely believe in the proportional
law are HA and FPM. no matter what the loyalists say about adopting it
too, they are a bunch of liars. They are the ones who refused it in doha
because it highly marginalises jumblat and hariri, and the 1960 law is the
best we could come out with. It is indeed unfair for small parties like
lcp and others, but have faith in the opposition that you share many
political views and vote for the side that guaranteed the proposition
of a proportional law once it gets the majority in the parliament.

[moughtarib]

Originally Posted by Shuyu3i

I just want to say that I am really angry with what the opposition is doing to the LCP (Lebanese Communist Party). They have stabbed them in the back as they stabbed Naja7 Wakim in the Beirut by-election. SHN said that who stands by the resistance will be rewarded. We believe those words and nothing. He wants to give us 1 MP and FPM gave us none. They rather the SSNP than the LCP. Fine. The LCP should boycott this election!!!

Great, boycott the elections and let the loyalists win. Is the reason you stand next to the logic of 'resistance' & 'sharaka' just for seats? don't you know that if the loyalists win; we're back to the 'isti'sar el solta' and 'back stabbing the resistance' and any lebanese who disagrees with them ?

That is childish of anyone who deals with politics and policies to believe that if he/she doesn't get a piece of the cake they don't want to play.

I urge you to go to the LCP leadership and ask them to switch sides and go with Hariri; they'll guarantee a couple of seats (one more day to go)....whether that goes hand in hand with your ideals or not is pointless....thats what i see from your post.

This is worse than the Kataebists and LFers and their begging dilemnas in Tripoli, Akkar, Shouf...

As for comparing with SSNP, SSNP can guarantee an X amount of votes in Koura and Metn mainly and Aley, Baabda, Batroun secondarily. Can LCP put any of that on the table? the 'Freedom' in your party for every 10-20 group of people to decide on their own what they want to do makes it hard to sell LCP to any side whether its the opposition or the loyalists. You just can't bring home the bacon.

[LubnanALkawi]

Originally Posted by SamerTayyar

baddak t2awwis 3a ibn manta2tak?:p

I agree, george hawi and other lcp leaders have nothing to do with
communism. I know what type of person he was, the villa he lived in
and the fancy parties he used to have, but I was pointing out
directly to LCP supporters who actually stick to their principles and
dare to oppose their party's decisions and the latest one is shuyo3i
and other communists I know who will boycott the elections. I always
differentiate between their leaders and their base.

Shuyoo3i, the only parties who genuinely believe in the proportional
law are HA and FPM. no matter what the loyalists say about adopting it
too, they are a bunch of liars. They are the ones who refused it in doha
because it highly marginalises jumblat and hariri, and the 1960 law is the
best we could come out with. It is indeed unfair for small parties like
lcp and others, but have faith in the opposition that you share many
political views and vote for the side that guaranteed the proposition
of a proportional law once it gets the majority in the parliament.

lek diya3touna on your media you say if it wasn't for FPM we would never have the 1960 law at the same time you say you are with the proportional law and you asked for it in Doha but in the other hand you still say the 1960 law is one of your biggest achievement from liberating the Christian seats from the Muslims... its either you worked hard for the proportional law or the 1960 law you can't just say we were with the proportional law and at the same time claim that the 1960 law is your achievement it does not make any sense

from what i understand from Aoun that he worked hard on the 1960 law! or if you really worked for the proportional law in doha you are lying today about the 1960 law

anyway i congratulate the communist (supporter) if they will boycott the election as we already now the results so what the point of this election the sunnist, and chia ''Tjayashou ta2efiyan'' soon same thing will happen with the marounites if aoun win the election and here we go! every sect will have its supreme leader

[BEAST]

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

lek diya3touna on your media you say if it wasn't for FPM we would never have the 1960 law at the same time you say you are with the proportional law and you asked for it in Doha but in the other hand you still say the 1960 law is one of your biggest achievement from liberating the Christian seats from the Muslims... its either you worked hard for the proportional law or the 1960 law you can't just say we were with the proportional law and at the same time claim that the 1960 law is your achievement it does not make any sense

from what i understand from Aoun that he worked hard on the 1960 law! or if you really worked for the proportional law in doha you are lying today about the 1960 law

anyway i congratulate the communist (supporter) if they will boycott the election as we already now the results so what the point of this election the sunnist, and chia ''Tjayashou ta2efiyan'' soon same thing will happen with the marounites if aoun win the election and here we go! every sect will have its supreme leader

GMA fought a hard battle for the proportionality law...but when the people you're dealing with are either too stubborn or too tied up (my money's on the second option), you go for the next best thing, i.e the 1960 law, which is eons better than the 2000 law capice?
now GMA really busted his *** to get that law, so we don't really like to see people trying to take it away from him by throwing idiotic accusations left and right...and about the supreme leader thing, this is how the country;s been for ages, and despite that, GMA is still advocating secularism. until secularism is implemented globally, he will remain our supreme leader. Period.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Shuyu3i

I just want to say that I am really angry with what the opposition is doing to the LCP (Lebanese Communist Party). They have stabbed them in the back as they stabbed Naja7 Wakim in the Beirut by-election. SHN said that who stands by the resistance will be rewarded. We believe those words and nothing. He wants to give us 1 MP and FPM gave us none. They rather the SSNP than the LCP. Fine. The LCP should boycott this election!!!

guys
your added value is limited wayyyyyyy limited
and you are asking more thna sg and ammoune combined lol
in lcp
sunni vote for sunni
shia for shia
chrisrians split
THE lcp CHRISTIAN VOTERS IN BATROUN IN 05, VOTED AGAINST US FYI...
so who cares about such characters..imagine your so called voters in batroun voted bou zahra and the sunni for sa3doun..same as koura..hehehehe
take what HA has given you and be content.

[moughtarib]

Originally Posted by LubnanALkawi

lek diya3touna on your media you say if it wasn't for FPM we would never have the 1960 law at the same time you say you are with the proportional law and you asked for it in Doha but in the other hand you still say the 1960 law is one of your biggest achievement from liberating the Christian seats from the Muslims... its either you worked hard for the proportional law or the 1960 law you can't just say we were with the proportional law and at the same time claim that the 1960 law is your achievement it does not make any sense

from what i understand from Aoun that he worked hard on the 1960 law! or if you really worked for the proportional law in doha you are lying today about the 1960 law

anyway i congratulate the communist (supporter) if they will boycott the election as we already now the results so what the point of this election the sunnist, and chia ''Tjayashou ta2efiyan'' soon same thing will happen with the marounites if aoun win the election and here we go! every sect will have its supreme leader

One has four choices =

1. Vote loyalists
2. Vote Opposition
3. Vote Mix
4. Not Vote

...A communist would naturally (if they try to fit whats within their ideals and that of each side's history and program) NOT vote Loyalist.

We're left with ...

2. Opposition
3. mix
4. no vote

The best case scenario for any loyalist activist is to see communists vote either of 3 or 4. That basically explains your post.

Standing on the sidelines creates nothing. I feel sorry for communists but their failure in lebanese politics is their making more than their competition. Any party that is under-represented will find their way through and any part that is over-represented will find themselves out (no one just 'offers' seats without earning them)