Kataeb and Leb Forces want to destroy FPM using Hezbollah

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by MindFree

They didnt accuse, they arent police nor judges, they reported a story based on their sources, and reported the next day another story based on other sources.
This is totally uncomparable to photoshopped photos, to filkkaisrael, and to all the surrealistic stories that appear on FPM official media outlets, yet we get to hear Michel Aoun attacking L'orient le Jour , although it didnt pass any limits. Michel Aoun ought first to attack his own media outlets and himself for using photoshopped images before attacking respectable media outlets just because they reported a story about his dear ally HA. Let him know that his official media wont become in lebanon another techrine or thawra.

I should thank you for that statement. Can any newspaper be any less professional and credible? So one day we rely on some sources, the next on others, completely negating the first sources? Ma ykouno mfakrin halon Emm Zouhair ou emm fattoum analyzing politics and sharing gossips over chaffit ahweh ou siguara!

[kappa273]

Originally Posted by LebanesePride

When it comes to Hezballah, GMS has had this position longer than GMA. So im not sure you can say hes coming to GMAs side, i think GMS considers it a continuation of his own positions which hes had since day one.

As for political alliances concerning the president. itd be smart for both GMA and GMS to ally or at least not fight, however they will only do so because they have to, not because they want to.

i agree with you, it is an issue of sementics...
nevertheless i can look at the big picture from a different angle... GMS was perceived as in the middle, neither with hariri nor with the opposition... and even, the poor LFer pictured him as their ally (when he went for lunch in Me3rab) and it has been a recurrence of big blows to those poor hariri supporters (among them the LFers) when they hear GMS daily glorifying the Resistance and taking positions closer to the opposition (minority, call it whatever) rather than hariri....
i think they perceived him wrongly...

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_101

True! I remember Annahar and other papers were banned from East Beirut. Then they had to start printing 2 editions! Aoun is bad news for democracy in Lebanon

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_101

What has he done that's anti-democratic since the end of the war??

why don't u remember more accurately... LF of Samir Geagea burnt down Annahar al 3arabi wal dawli in Feb 1990 in Jisr el wati... simply because it was run by Gebran Tueini...

and annahar was forbidden in the free area in 1990 not because they attacked GMA but because they insisted on calling Hrawi, President....

perhaps you're too young to remember accurately therefore you start inventing...

kappa

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by J_Raad1450

DA,

I agree with your proposal. But…
FPM is dealing with a residual issue.

FPM did not help create HA
FPM did not arm HA
FPM did not nurture HA
FPM did not support HA for 18 years via biyan wizari
FPM did not ally with HA in 2005
FPM did not draw electoral division in 2005 to help HA elect majority of Shiaas MPs

Till recently, FPM and HA were political opponents.

HA does not need FPM to survive
HA does not FPM to protect its weapons

....havind said so...

All what FPM did is commit HA to some type of road map for disarmament. HA might be “lying” in their commitment to FPM, but at least FPM is the only party in the world that was able to commit HA to some type of road map. FPM opened up to a major Lebanese group (the shiaas).

If the “Christians” want to penalize FPM then fine…If Christians want to adopt geagea policies in dealing with the issue then fine….personally, I care less if Christians did. Although, I have to say “Christians” tested geagea “leadership” in North, Shouf, South lebanon and east Beirut…The Christian were not impressed in geagea position….I believe Christians are strongly committed to FPM position.

The “sunni” fever to disarm HA is not derived from Lebanese patriotism…this is a sectarian fever derived from fighting in Iraq between Sunnis and shiias…KSA is feeding that fever via Hariri royal family in lebanon
The nationalist sunnis are asking for a dialogue with HA
The Druzes are for a dialogue to disarm HA


I don't understand the "guilt" “feelings” with FPMers when HA “sneezes”?

BTW, I am not FPMer. I vote for Sleiman Franjieh

JR,

It is not about guilt or the lack of; it is rather about public opinion.
the 2009 elections are critical ones that will determine which path Lebanon will follow.

There will be plenty of attempts to sway the voters one way or the other, mistakes will be amplified, guilt will be propagated by association, and propaganda campaigns will attempt to take advantage of everything, the truth will be twisted, used and abused to influence the citizen's vote.

the 2009 elections will determine if the parasites will stick to power or not; and by parasites i mean all of those who treat citizens like rag dolls and those who build small empires at the expense of the citizen.

FPM's relation with HA will be one of the major topics that will be abused by our opponents; FPM should anticipate that and lunch an educational campaign before the media manages to brainwash the masses.

we can easily lose the elections, guilt free i must add.

we still have plenty of work to do; and we cannot go into the elections unprepared.

[samir khoury]

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

JR,

It is not about guilt or the lack of; it is rather about public opinion.
the 2009 elections are critical ones that will determine which path Lebanon will follow.

There will be plenty of attempts to sway the voters one way or the other, mistakes will be amplified, guilt will be propagated by association, and propaganda campaigns will attempt to take advantage of everything, the truth will be twisted, used and abused to influence the citizen's vote.

the 2009 elections will determine if the parasites will stick to power or not; and by parasites i mean all of those who treat citizens like rag dolls and those who build small empires at the expense of the citizen.

FPM's relation with HA will be one of the major topics that will be abused by our opponents; FPM should anticipate that and lunch an educational campaign before the media manages to brainwash the masses.

we can easily lose the elections, guilt free i must add.

we still have plenty of work to do; and we cannot go into the elections unprepared.

Educational campaign that should assure everyone that HA are going to be here ARMED forever and there is no need to worry since the paper FPM signed is nothing since GMA gave them permission to stay armed for the 50 years to come and FPM will be defending HA whatever they do even if they shoot down army officers or invade Beirut they will have FPM backing them up because THE BIG BAD SALAFISTS are going to kill us all!!!

brainwash your people with this BS and FPM will win for sure.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by samir khoury

Educational campaign that should assure everyone that HA are going to be here ARMED forever and there is no need to worry since the paper FPM signed is nothing since GMA gave them permission to stay armed for the 50 years to come and FPM will be defending HA whatever they do even if they shoot down army officers or invade Beirut they will have FPM backing them up because THE BIG BAD SALAFISTS are going to kill us all!!!

brainwash your people with this BS and FPM will win for sure.

the only BS is that u r saying this as ur own ppl are in the same goverment as HA.

and no, nobody invaded beirut, last i checked hariri didn't own squat but solidere hehe

[samir khoury]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

the only BS is that u r saying this as ur own ppl are in the same goverment as HA.

and no, nobody invaded beirut, last i checked hariri didn't own squat but solidere hehe

who talked about hariri?
i talked about Tha capital of ur country that can be invaded by Armed people whenever they want and burn down tv stations and control the streets and still finding people like you to back them up because "hariri doesn't own beirut!"

[freelebanonn]

Originally Posted by samir khoury

who talked about hariri?
i talked about Tha capital of ur country that can be invaded by Armed people whenever they want and burn down tv stations and control the streets and still finding people like you to back them up because "hariri doesn't own beirut!"

ah really? but when ur salafist allies invaded achrafieh what was ur opinion. ah yeah i remember ur leader said mate3talo ham those are our allies!.ba3den hizbullah did not invade beirut those people already live their.

[sarhay]

Originally Posted by samir khoury

who talked about hariri?
i talked about Tha capital of ur country that can be invaded by Armed people whenever they want and burn down tv stations and control the streets and still finding people like you to back them up because "hariri doesn't own beirut!"

Samir, what do you propose for preventing the repetitive "invasion" of our great capital Beirut? and please do make sure that one of frontier figure in your politlca line, WJ, is convinced by your proposal. Last time I checked he is in agreement with SHN about the futre of Ha's weapon. read what he said below:
وأضاف: "بالأمس قرأت كلام الامين العام ل"حزب الله" حول السلاح وحول مزارع شبعا عدم ربطه بالسلاح، فهذا الكلام إيجابي ويلاقي موقفنا الرسمي، لن نربط شبعا بالسلاح، شبعا شيء وهي جزء من الارض اللبنانية، وننتظر من الحكومة السورية ان توثق شبعا رسميا مع الحكومة اللبنانية، كي تكون شبعا، رسميا لبنانية لدى الأمم المتحدة. اما السلاح فننتظر طاولة الحوار من اجل الخطة الدفاعي.

As for Hariri ownership of the capital, it is funny how things mutate. not long back Gibran Tueini,RIP, used to Criticize Hariri Sr.,RIP, mnopoly on Beirut and on the ministerail palace. Now such task has been shifted to Al akhbar to do exactly the samething. Have you ever wondered when Saad speaks of Ahl Beirut what does he mean by that? are the people of the eastern sector included in ahl Beirut? Personally-I doubt it. So, does it mean he has exclusive group in mind? where is the inclusivety when he uses sectarian terms like Ahl Sunnah when he talks about Beirut? Does Beirut only made up of one sect? What about the hurt of ahl masi7hyeh for the fictional UFO of salafites that was bestowed on them with the aid of ghos buster ( Al-ashba7)few years back? are they hurt, too? do they represent Ahl Beirut or not?

Samir, lack of intellectual judgement and distinction never provide someone with absolute truth no matter how repetitive and acusatory they can be!!!!

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by samir khoury

Educational campaign that should assure everyone that HA are going to be here ARMED forever and there is no need to worry since the paper FPM signed is nothing since GMA gave them permission to stay armed for the 50 years to come and FPM will be defending HA whatever they do even if they shoot down army officers or invade Beirut they will have FPM backing them up because THE BIG BAD SALAFISTS are going to kill us all!!!

brainwash your people with this BS and FPM will win for sure.

no, it is actually an educational campaign to prevent our goals from being maimed into what you stated, and to prevent people from becoming zombies controlled by fears.

if you want to look into getting away with executing army officers, we can start by what went on in Halat. the Soujoud incident was a mistake, but tens of army officers were executed in cold blood on the hands of the LFers. the LF executioners are still free, while the HA shooter is now in the hands of the army. if you want to talk about executing and slaying army officers look into the donniyi incidents in the early 2000, if you want to talk about executing and slaying army officers look into the Fet7 El Islam in 2007!!

so for god's sake spare us from your filth.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by samir khoury

who talked about hariri?
i talked about Tha capital of ur country that can be invaded by Armed people whenever they want and burn down tv stations and control the streets and still finding people like you to back them up because "hariri doesn't own beirut!"

ppl like me are telling u that no one invaded beirut.

get over it, it was a clash that involved lots of ppl, no one invaded from outside and harriri got everything to do with it since u are reiterating here the false ideas u heard on his FTV.

"ppl invaded".. what a joke, this is our capital, we fought each other, stop telling us that somebody "invaded it" cuz apart from not convincing us, u are making it more difficult for urself to find a compromise with us.