Kataeb and Leb Forces want to destroy FPM using Hezbollah

[Shia4lyf]

Originally Posted by Zouxi

almustaqbal newspaper is simply a garbage, not even worth to read one word :(

Its not even worth to put the مناقيش زعتر to wrap it with.

[Dark Angel]

FPM needs to counter attack on a big scale; and by counter attack i dont mean bashing the phalanges and LF; but on the contrary, marketing the pro-active path to find a peaceful solution to the hot points of conflict; in particular HA's weapons.

the chopper's incident was a major set back to FPM, HA needs to make amends to remedy the shaken public opinion within the Christian street in specific.

at the end of the day; it will all come down to the following:

there are two ways to disarm HA, either by force or peacefully. disarming HA by force will lead to a bloodshed the likes of which our country has never seen; the americans will not be sending their own soldiers to fight this war, it blood that will flow will be that of our own sons and daughters.

FPM should market the peaceful alternative, with the following major headlines:

1- turning the resistance from an islamic (HA) one, to a Lebanese one
2- refusing to disband the resistance through internal dialogue, and preserving the weapons & the missiles until the time comes for the peace negotiations with israel, where they can be used as a leverage against the nationalization or possibly the public debt.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Shia4lyf

Its not even worth to put the مناقيش زعتر to wrap it with.

But you could always use it for bird poo!

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by elador

That was a polite version of what al mustaqbal wrote.. this is the original one:
(i recommend all readers to cover their monitors with a protective film against the TFFFEHs)

وشاية عون

المستقبل - الخميس 4 أيلول 2008 - العدد 3067 - الصفحة الأولى - صفحة 1



عاد رئيس "تكتل التغيير والاصلاح" النائب العماد ميشال عون الى لعبته القديمة ضد حرية الصحافة وحرية الاعلام، انما لحساب حلفائه هذه المرة، وبشكل واضح وصريح في قضية لا تعنيه من قريب أو بعيد.
الجنرال عون "الذي لا يزال يحتفل بتسلمه الدرع التقديرية من "حزب الله" غداة زيارته الى الجنوب، "أوعز" بتحويل صحيفة "لوريان لوجور" الناطقة بالفرنسية الى النيابة العامة بحجة ان عنوان صفحتها الأولى يوم السبت الماضي حول "قتل الضابط عن سابق تصور وتصميم وبيد باردة" قد "استبق التحقيق وهو عنوان لبثّ الفتنة".
عون برر تدخله الاتهامي على هذه الشاكلة قائلاً: "المسؤولية الوطنية لا تسمح لي أن أسكت عن موضوع تحريضي مثل هذا". مرة أخرى هو الوصي على "المسؤولية الوطنية". من فوّضه بذلك؟ التفاهم"!.
وكالعادة يكرر الجنرال انه "كلما يقتل احد أفراد الجيش فالكل يعرف ان الدمعة تذرف من عيني". طبعاً لا يمكن ان نسأل اين كانت هذه الدموع يوم ذبح جنود الجيش في 13 تشرين واين كان هو.
لكن هذه "الدموع" المفترضة ترافقت مع تباخل عون بلقب شهيد للضابط الطيار النقيب سامر حنا، في حين يسجل لـ"حزب الله" وصفه المغدور بأنه "شهيد للجيش وللمقاومة". أما عون فلم يجد ما هو أكثر لباقة من وصف حنا بأن "هناك ضحية وقعت وقد سلّم الجاني الى القضاء". ضحية يا جنرال؟!
مصادر مطلعة عن كثب لِما تتعرض له لوريان لوجور" منذ السبت أكدت للـ"المستقبل" ان الجريدة تلقت تهديدات من مسؤولين معروفين في "حزب الله" يدعون "الفرانكوفونية"(!)، وأن هؤلاء المسؤولين طالبوا بالاعتذار الرسمي لـ"حزب الله" و"المقاومة".
وبدا بعد مساع حثيثة أنه جرت تسوية الأمور، لتُفاجأ الصحيفة بعد ذلك بأن العماد عون تولى المهمة.. بدلاً عن "حزب الله".
وتأتي تهديدات "حزب الله" ثم "وشاية"عون بالأوريان في سياق حملة "مقاومة الاعلام" من بيروت التي نكّلت فيها الميليشيات المسلحة بوسائل اعلام "تيار المستقبل" صبيحة 8 أيار الى طهران التي اقفلت مكتب "العربية" وطردت المسؤول عنه الزميل حسن فحص.. والحبل على الجرار.
"المستقبل" تعلن تضامنها التام مع جريدة "لوريان لوجور" وتستنكر تدخل العماد عون في قضية مفترض ان لا ناقة له فيها أو جمل. ولنا أن نسأل العماد عون كيف علم ان الشهيد حنا لم يقتل غيلة ولا بدم بارد ولا عن سابق تصور وتصميم، ومن الذي استبق التحقيق يومها؟ اليس أولئك الذين رموا المؤسسة العسكرية ككل بتهمة "سوء التنسيق"؟.
أجل.. الشهيد حنا قتل غدراً وغيلة وبدم بارد وما وصف عون له بأنه "ضحية" إلا تأكيد اضافي على ذلك.

"المستقبل

this is for HA and i hope they listen
1-first strike when u did that helf rouba3i and GMA told u that u made a huge mistake, later on we know how much it costed u to trust these wahhabis
2-second mistake may7, we told u finish the job, u refused hoping these ze3ran will learn, now they r worst than before and deadlier. and GMA also adviced against ever beleiving them
3- 3rd mistake, MAN U R ON YOUR OWN THIS TIME . u should know that EVIL is defeated not cajoled.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

But you could always use it for bird poo!

no i tried it for my parrots at home
cheap quality, absorbs too much
good at strting a camp fire though , hummm fire.... recent fire rashes....
makes u wonder

[Shia4lyf]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

this is for HA and i hope they listen
1-first strike when u did that helf rouba3i and GMA told u that u made a huge mistake, later on we know how much it costed u to trust these wahhabis
2-second mistake may7, we told u finish the job, u refused hoping these ze3ran will learn, now they r worst than before and deadlier. and GMA also adviced against ever beleiving them
3- 3rd mistake, MAN U R ON YOUR OWN THIS TIME . u should know that EVIL is defeated not cajoled.

Hey hannaalsayassa i agree with you on one point and its that we shouldn't have trusted any of 14hmar. However saying that we didn't finish the job on may 7 is wrong, cause we had couple of goals to achive and the opposition reached their goals. but if we went on they would say that they were right on their point that HA would like to make a coup and take everything for himself. Also i would like to add that the day that the ze3ran will meet their end is comming. But you have to wait.
Lastly you shouldn't said this "MAN U R ON YOUR OWN THIS TIME" cause since 1982 we were on our own.

[J_Raad1450]

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

FPM needs to counter attack on a big scale; and by counter attack i dont mean bashing the phalanges and LF; but on the contrary, marketing the pro-active path to find a peaceful solution to the hot points of conflict; in particular HA's weapons.

the chopper's incident was a major set back to FPM, HA needs to make amends to remedy the shaken public opinion within the Christian street in specific.

at the end of the day; it will all come down to the following:

there are two ways to disarm HA, either by force or peacefully. disarming HA by force will lead to a bloodshed the likes of which our country has never seen; the americans will not be sending their own soldiers to fight this war, it blood that will flow will be that of our own sons and daughters.

FPM should market the peaceful alternative, with the following major headlines:

1- turning the resistance from an islamic (HA) one, to a Lebanese one
2- refusing to disband the resistance through internal dialogue, and preserving the weapons & the missiles until the time comes for the peace negotiations with israel, where they can be used as a leverage against the nationalization or possibly the public debt.

DA,

I agree with your proposal. But…
FPM is dealing with a residual issue.

FPM did not help create HA
FPM did not arm HA
FPM did not nurture HA
FPM did not support HA for 18 years via biyan wizari
FPM did not ally with HA in 2005
FPM did not draw electoral division in 2005 to help HA elect majority of Shiaas MPs

Till recently, FPM and HA were political opponents.

HA does not need FPM to survive
HA does not FPM to protect its weapons

....havind said so...

All what FPM did is commit HA to some type of road map for disarmament. HA might be “lying” in their commitment to FPM, but at least FPM is the only party in the world that was able to commit HA to some type of road map. FPM opened up to a major Lebanese group (the shiaas).

If the “Christians” want to penalize FPM then fine…If Christians want to adopt geagea policies in dealing with the issue then fine….personally, I care less if Christians did. Although, I have to say “Christians” tested geagea “leadership” in North, Shouf, South lebanon and east Beirut…The Christian were not impressed in geagea position….I believe Christians are strongly committed to FPM position.

The “sunni” fever to disarm HA is not derived from Lebanese patriotism…this is a sectarian fever derived from fighting in Iraq between Sunnis and shiias…KSA is feeding that fever via Hariri royal family in lebanon
The nationalist sunnis are asking for a dialogue with HA
The Druzes are for a dialogue to disarm HA


I don't understand the "guilt" “feelings” with FPMers when HA “sneezes”?

BTW, I am not FPMer. I vote for Sleiman Franjieh

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Shia4lyf

Hey hannaalsayassa i agree with you on one point and its that we shouldn't have trusted any of 14hmar. However saying that we didn't finish the job on may 7 is wrong, cause we had couple of goals to achive and the opposition reached their goals. but if we went on they would say that they were right on their point that HA would like to make a coup and take everything for himself. Also i would like to add that the day that the ze3ran will meet their end is comming. But you have to wait.
Lastly you shouldn't said this "MAN U R ON YOUR OWN THIS TIME" cause since 1982 we were on our own.

look u r on you r own since 82 and fine
but the way the country is these days u need alliances and mp blocks
therefore, better finish these clowns fully.
also an advice it seems u might need it in life and definitely in politics

EVERYBODY NEEDS ALLIANCES, NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING ON THEIR OWN.

[Shia4lyf]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

look u r on you r own since 82 and fine
but the way the country is these days u need alliances and mp blocks
therefore, better finish these clowns fully.
also an advice it seems u might need it in life and definitely in politics

EVERYBODY NEEDS ALLIANCES, NO ONE CAN DO ANYTHING ON THEIR OWN.

I agree with you on the point that is marked in red, HOwever you want to ally with a group that doesn't say in the middle of the way u r on you r own. Ad on The point that i marked in dark orange i would like to say imagine that HA went all out on these groups that is supported by FM, LF and others. what will the reaction be by christians. If for an incident some FPM members went nuts. how about if they started accusing HA is killing Civilians .Trust me you will never hear the end of it.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Shia4lyf

I agree with you on the point that is marked in red, HOwever you want to ally with a group that doesn't say in the middle of the way u r on you r own. Ad on The point that i marked in dark orange i would like to say imagine that HA went all out on these groups that is supported by FM, LF and others. what will the reaction be by christians. If for an incident some FPM members went nuts. how about if they started accusing HA is killing Civilians .Trust me you will never hear the end of it.

By finising them is not by killing them at all
we should have kept the strike until they sigend all these agreemenst and inplemented all waht was agreed upon.
imagine how much we aould have saved ourselves so many issues.
from president to wizara to army head to new law
all these could have been done in a week and also asked for early election let us say by sep .

these people are cowards and slimy, they will drag all these things and being shouhamma ma3ounn they c it as a weakness.