Joumblatt is the power maker instead of Aoun

[TTT1]

Originally Posted by nuknuk

Yet, ahel el Achrafieh voted for the invaders, 5-0, epic failure for FPM.

Geagea and Gemayel can play the same role which people are giving Jumblatt here, but FPM would rather meet with the devil than M14 Christians. It's all a popularity contest and nothing else after all.

Epic Failure?
That's a funny title.
If FPM was after a popularity contest, it wouldn't ally with HA and move against the instinct of christians . It is doing so JUST because this is the real valid path for this community. You can argue about this endlessly and it is a hopeless case to even respond to you.
I would rather prefer sit and watch history unfold and then we will see .
In the mean time, Geagea and Gemayel can't play that tole my friend . They were not even able to win one MP in Jbeil, Kesrwan and Baabda and Samy barely made it in Metn (PLEASE don't go into scrutinizing the numbers ).
As for the "epic loss", FPM started from ZERO and was just about 2200 votes difference against all odds (Moutran Audi, Sfeir,son and daughter of martyrs,....) so this was indeed an "epic battle" which will surely be worth on building in the next years.

En fin de compte, tu as compare l'incomparable dans ta reponse.....

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Go cry me a river. You took a blatant stance that defends everything that Hezbollah does, defends weapons outside the control of the state, glorifies internal incursions, and lined up your politics with the oppressive Iranian regime and the recent Syrian occupier's politics... and the people voted against you.

Originally Posted by Venom

can u give me the latest update on Ha and their weapons?

i don't see them vanishing and I don't see anyone trying to do so...

Makari wants 'realistic' approach to Hizbullah arms

Daily Star staff
Wednesday, July 01, 2009

BEIRUT: Deputy Parliament Speaker Farid Makari said on Tuesday that Hizbullah's weapons arsenal should be tackled "in a realistic manner." "No group is telling the Resistance that it has to disarm, and everybody knows that there have not been any incidents in South Lebanon since UN Security Council Resolution 1701 was issued," he claimed. Makari added that he had no information on whether Prime Minister-designate Saad Hariri had offered Hizbullah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah any local, regional or international assurances regarding the Resistance's arms. The deputy speaker said that "logically, the disarmament of the Resistance is impossible, but we should at least know what the future of these arms is."

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by kappa273

Joseph,
you are right...
FPM stood by HA weapons and people decided and apparently don't want HA to have weapons...
Those HA people are like FPM people Jens worst than 3atel.. they are the scum of the earth..
now I expect you to hold Hariri, Nayla Tueini, Sami Gemayel, Jounblatt, etc.. accountable.. they promised they will disarm HA even if they have to declare war against HA.... and within 24 hours of the elections results, they changed their mind....

until then, you are not allowed to complain or to sermon us...
I thought your hatred and fear were directed mainly towards HA but now, i find out that all your fear is actually directed towards FPM regardless of what the others are doing or saying.

kappa

MABROUK ....now you realized that .

if HA agrees to ally with them against us, they will not give HA the 1/3 alone,
bass sa3doun personally

1-rejail sg
2-re-deport ammoune and all his clan to france
3-byem7e khabbar kel al jeness al 3atel ma3ou bel takatoul

wa wello will personally enlist his son with HA feda2eyyen.

before i forget, boutors hareb will personally sue MILAD HANNA's mom for defaming HA and inciting sect hatred
a nefnafet will boycott bkerki and call sfeir 3ajouz kherfan.

[joseph_lubnan]

Well before the elections, most independents understood Jumblat's flipfloping and expected as much. Most independents understood that Hezbollah is the de facto military ruler of Lebanon and will not be disarmed by force. Most independents knew very well that Berri will be the speaker. Most independents understood that Hariri won't be the savior, and LF isn't mother Mary. Most didn't expect radical change in the Hezbollah arms situation. And most independents still voted against your blatant support and defense of everything Hezbollah does, your justifications and defense of their weapons and internal incursions, and your political and policy alignment with Iran and Syria. Had the opposition won, Hezbollah would have been entirely at the helm. The Syrian Iranian policy would have been entirely uncontested. And it was clear to the voter that you had already agreed to that.

The loyalists aren't a savory bunch, but they were the only available alternative to the voter. How they move forward on the issue of Hezbollah's weapons and control of the country, however weak it may be, it will always remain a notch lower than the complete capitulation that FPM exhibited. One has to remember that Hezbollah practically rules Lebanon already militarily, and that the government in all its functions is and will be under duress. My preference remains as it always had been the political isolation of Hezbollah, and not necessarily taking reckless military action against Hezbollah as you like to claim. I never expected Saad Hariri to do that and he is not, but what was the alternative? voting for Hezbollah!!? Believe me I will be criticizing the new government's approach to Hezbollah's weapons, but that doesn't mean that one should regret the results of the elections, for a win by the opposition would have been significantly worse on this particular issue, and it would have put Hezbollah and its regional sponsors politicaly at the helm, more than they already are by the power of their gun.

[Bejin]

الدكتور أبو ناضر يرد على جنبلاط

ويحذر من التقارب السعودي - السوري



علق الدكتور فؤاد أبو ناضر المنسق العام لجبهة الحرية على دعوة النائب وليد جنبلاط لإعتبار شعار " لبنان أولاً " شعاراً فارغاً، قائلاً:

" أولاً : على لبنان أن لا يتخلى عن موقعه في مجلس الأمن الدولي في العام 2010. وأن يغتنم هذه الفرصة كي يتقدم بطلب، على غرار تركمانستان، لإعتبار لبنان بلد يلتزم الحياد الإيجابي ومعترف بإستقلاليته وسيادته، ويتضامن مع الدول العربية في حال إتفاقها، ويلتزم الحياد في حال إختلافها.


ثانياً: أما ما صرح به النائب وليد جنبلاط ، أن شعار " لبنان أولاً " هو شعار فارغ، فنقول له إن الشيخ بيار الجميل هو أول من أطلق هذا الشعار، وبالتأكيد هو ليس فارغاً، بل أنه ذات أهمية تفوق القضية الفلسطينية والصراع العربي والعروبة. أما الكلام الذي كان قد أطلقه زعيم الحزب التقدمي الإشتراكي واصفاً فيه الناخبين المسيحيين " بالجنس العاطل "، ما جعل الذين أدلوا بأصواتهم لصالح فريق 14 آذار يشعر بالخيانة بسبب هذه التصريحات. كما أن شعار " لبنان أولاً " هوشعار يمثل طموح الشعب اللبناني المتضامن مع الشعب الفلسطيني لكن دون الإستمرار في دفع الثمن بسببه أو بسبب الصراعات العربية – العربية والتي أدت الى فقدان لبنان جزءاً من سيادته والمسيحيين جزءاً من حقوقهم السياسية.


ثالثاُ: لبنان لن يقبل بعد اليوم بعودة الهيمنة السورية - السعودية بالإتفاق مع أمريكا. كما يجب الغاء معاهدة الأخوة مع سوريا، والعمل على وضع سياسية جديدة لتحل محل إتفاق الطائف الذي أوصلنا الى حال الوصاية والفوضى ".

جبهة الحرية

مكتب الإعلام

Dr Fouad Abou Nader répond à Walid Joumblatt et commente le rapprochement syro-saoudien

* Le Liban ne doit pas renoncer à son siège au Conseil de sécurité des Nations Unies en 2010, contrairement à l’appel lancé par le député Walid Joumblatt. En effet, c’est l’occasion pour le Liban de demander, comme le Turkménistan, une garantie internationale à sa neutralité qui doit être positive et permanente et en accord avec le Protocole d’Alexandrie, document fondateur de la Ligue des Etats arabes, acceptant l’indépendance de la politique de l’Etat libanais, solidaire des Etats arabes lorsqu’ils s’entendent et neutre lorsque ceux-ci se disputent.
* Contrairement également à ce qu’a affirmé le député Walid Joumblatt, le slogan « Loubnan awalan » que cheikh Pierre Gemayel avait lancé pour la première fois, n’est pas vide et la cause palestinienne et l’arabité/arabisme ne sont pas plus importants. Les électeurs chrétiens, appelés « jens el 3atil » par le leader du Parti Socialiste Progressiste, qui ont voté pour le camp dit du 14 mars se sentent trahis par de tels propos. « Loubnan awalan » est une aspiration du peuple libanais qui est solidaire du peuple palestinien mais ne veut plus payer le prix ni de la cause de celui-ci ni celui d’une arabité ou d’un arabisme au nom de laquelle ou duquel le Liban a perdu une partie de sa souveraineté et les chrétiens une partie de leurs droits politiques.
* Le Liban n’acceptera pas un retour de la tutelle syro-saoudienne avec le blanc-seing américain. Le traité de fraternité avec la Syrie doit être abrogé et une nouvelle formule politique doit remplacer l’accord de Taef qui n’engendre que tutelle ou chaos.

Bureau de presse du
Coordinateur général du
Front de la Liberté
Dr Fouad Abou Nader

[achaaban]

I think that if Lebanon plans to maintain the sectarian power sharing system, then the system must be really sectarian. That is lumping the Druze, Shia and Sunnis under the category of Muslims is a joke. In Lebanon there are Sunnis, Shia and Druze, not Muslims. The same applies to the Christians.

Then seats should be equally distrubuted between Shia, Sunni and Maronites, and then other sects including the Druz, must be proportionatly distributed.

That is Maronite 27 seats
Shia 27 Seats
Sunni 27 seats.

then other sects will get seats as minorities. This way a minority leader like Jumblat representing the Druze does not decide power in Lebanon.

[arman-i]

i think that jumbi is acting the way he does cause he's feeling that KSA is preparing for PM sa3doun a great role with syria, letting go about jumbi , which means jumbi might be out of the pic. that leads jumbi to a great U turn towards the opposition , especially toward HA passing by AMAL and the housespeaker.

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Bejin

الدكتور أبو ناضر يرد على جنبلاط

ويحذر من التقارب السعودي - السوري



علق الدكتور فؤاد أبو ناضر المنسق العام لجبهة الحرية على دعوة النائب وليد جنبلاط لإعتبار شعار " لبنان أولاً " شعاراً فارغاً، قائلاً:

" أولاً : على لبنان أن لا يتخلى عن موقعه في مجلس الأمن الدولي في العام 2010. وأن يغتنم هذه الفرصة كي يتقدم بطلب، على غرار تركمانستان، لإعتبار لبنان بلد يلتزم الحياد الإيجابي ومعترف بإستقلاليته وسيادته، ويتضامن مع الدول العربية في حال إتفاقها، ويلتزم الحياد في حال إختلافها.


ثانياً: أما ما صرح به النائب وليد جنبلاط ، أن شعار " لبنان أولاً " هو شعار فارغ، فنقول له إن الشيخ بيار الجميل هو أول من أطلق هذا الشعار، وبالتأكيد هو ليس فارغاً، بل أنه ذات أهمية تفوق القضية الفلسطينية والصراع العربي والعروبة. أما الكلام الذي كان قد أطلقه زعيم الحزب التقدمي الإشتراكي واصفاً فيه الناخبين المسيحيين " بالجنس العاطل "، ما جعل الذين أدلوا بأصواتهم لصالح فريق 14 آذار يشعر بالخيانة بسبب هذه التصريحات. كما أن شعار " لبنان أولاً " هوشعار يمثل طموح الشعب اللبناني المتضامن مع الشعب الفلسطيني لكن دون الإستمرار في دفع الثمن بسببه أو بسبب الصراعات العربية – العربية والتي أدت الى فقدان لبنان جزءاً من سيادته والمسيحيين جزءاً من حقوقهم السياسية.


ثالثاُ: لبنان لن يقبل بعد اليوم بعودة الهيمنة السورية - السعودية بالإتفاق مع أمريكا. كما يجب الغاء معاهدة الأخوة مع سوريا، والعمل على وضع سياسية جديدة لتحل محل إتفاق الطائف الذي أوصلنا الى حال الوصاية والفوضى ".

جبهة الحرية

مكتب الإعلام

Dr Fouad Abou Nader répond à Walid Joumblatt et commente le rapprochement syro-saoudien

* Le Liban ne doit pas renoncer à son siège au Conseil de sécurité des Nations Unies en 2010, contrairement à l’appel lancé par le député Walid Joumblatt. En effet, c’est l’occasion pour le Liban de demander, comme le Turkménistan, une garantie internationale à sa neutralité qui doit être positive et permanente et en accord avec le Protocole d’Alexandrie, document fondateur de la Ligue des Etats arabes, acceptant l’indépendance de la politique de l’Etat libanais, solidaire des Etats arabes lorsqu’ils s’entendent et neutre lorsque ceux-ci se disputent.
* Contrairement également à ce qu’a affirmé le député Walid Joumblatt, le slogan « Loubnan awalan » que cheikh Pierre Gemayel avait lancé pour la première fois, n’est pas vide et la cause palestinienne et l’arabité/arabisme ne sont pas plus importants. Les électeurs chrétiens, appelés « jens el 3atil » par le leader du Parti Socialiste Progressiste, qui ont voté pour le camp dit du 14 mars se sentent trahis par de tels propos. « Loubnan awalan » est une aspiration du peuple libanais qui est solidaire du peuple palestinien mais ne veut plus payer le prix ni de la cause de celui-ci ni celui d’une arabité ou d’un arabisme au nom de laquelle ou duquel le Liban a perdu une partie de sa souveraineté et les chrétiens une partie de leurs droits politiques.
* Le Liban n’acceptera pas un retour de la tutelle syro-saoudienne avec le blanc-seing américain. Le traité de fraternité avec la Syrie doit être abrogé et une nouvelle formule politique doit remplacer l’accord de Taef qui n’engendre que tutelle ou chaos.

Bureau de presse du
Coordinateur général du
Front de la Liberté
Dr Fouad Abou Nader

welcome back.

what i fail to understand is that everybody in lebanon have stacked their chances with a party except fan still wanting to please all.

it wont work, it never worked.
in lebanon one must be in a camp or at least be close to one to be relevant.
such statements wont endear him to anyone.
my honest/respectful opinion. ( hope you convey it).

thx.

[Bejin]

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

welcome back.

what i fail to understand is that everybody in lebanon have stacked their chances with a party except fan still wanting to please all.

it wont work, it never worked.
in lebanon one must be in a camp or at least be close to one to be relevant.
such statements wont endear him to anyone.
my honest/respectful opinion. ( hope you convey it).

thx.

what you fail to understand is that there is a camp agreeing and defending Taef agreement and there is a camp who rejects it and wants a new political formula.

Fouad Abou Nader is in the second camp.

لبنان لن يقبل بعد اليوم بعودة الهيمنة السورية - السعودية بالإتفاق مع أمريكا. كما يجب الغاء معاهدة الأخوة مع سوريا، والعمل على وضع سياسية جديدة لتحل محل إتفاق الطائف الذي أوصلنا الى حال الوصاية والفوضى

if with such words, you still think that Fouad wants to please all, you should ask yourself if you understand politics or not.

my honest/respectful opinion. ( hope you convey it).

thx.

[Resistancefrom89]

Thank You Mr Patriarch for pushing the Chrstian to the ravine, Thank you for bringing down a fellow Christian (GMA) and enabling Walid Jumblatt to become the power maker

Thank you to all the the Christian Leaders in March 14 for their true vision that is also driving the Christian to the ravine and thank you for bringing down a fellow Christian leader (GMA) and helping Walid Jumblatt to become the power maker

God bless you and bless the one that voted for you.
و أغفر لهم يا ابتاه لأنهم يدرون ماذا يفعلون, و ان كانوا يعلنون عن ضياعهم كما فعل البطرك منذ أيام في الموضوع الحكومي , فلا تصدقه لأنه في هذا زميل لبلاطس