Joumana Gebara Arrested

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Are you her producer?

I think Joumana is her own independent product. I have known her very briefly but it is funny that some of us here and there become very judgemental to the point of accusing her of treason or unfaithfullness or shady character or whatever.

Why do we always have to dwell on petty political issues and forget Joumana's aweful incident? So if she doesn't support FPM politically (even though she does so profoundly) she loses our support and our sympathy?

You know, even sons and fathers don't agree on lots of issues so why is it not allowed for Joumana or for anyone else to have different perspectives or opinions without losing the core value of her own convictions.

[Joumana Gebara]

I urge everyone to stop for a second and to think what he/she is writing.

It is not about me, it is about a whole system which is violating every aspect of human rights and breaching everything called rule of law.

I cannot invent a story to please the one or the other, this is the story as it is. I never believed for a second that I would be arrested, for what? I live here and never imagined it could really happen although it happened to so many others (Take the 4 generals as mentioned by J.Abizeid) whether innocent or not they were arrested for 4 years. And although everyone told me it is a trick and not to go the police on Thursday because it was a trap, I dared and went. FPM officials warned me and wanted to protect me but I did not care because I was confident that no one would just arrest me without a reason (I thought we had a country which acts according to justice, besides I was denied every right to talk to a lawyer). Can anyone imagine what it feels like to be arrested?

When FPM guys were arrested back in the 90s and till 2004 I was active against the aggressors. Human dignity is human dignity, it does not matter which colour or religion you are.

I reiterate that this is not about me, I had more support than you can imagine although from Minister Tarek Mitri to director Laure Sleiman to x-people there was so much pressure. They tried with all means to ruin my reputation, with the worse imaginable tools, and lots benefited. All newspapers, Tvs and radios were under pressure. You can even ask the officials of tayyar.org whom I met yesterday, they talked about pressure which would have exploded if my release would have taken longer.

People were threatened because of me, because they stood with the righteous, it is awfull. Do you understand?

I really have to thank Abou zouade, P.B., H.Y. from tayyar.org/Sawt El Mada. They are the real heroes.

Since my release I live in an extreme void trying to understand what happened to me while I was completely cut off the world living between cockroaches in an 8x8 feet jail without water or food, without a pen or book. I do not want anyone's pity, nor compassion, I really need Lebanese to focus on the urgent need that this country requires more Human Rights, better laws, freedom of speech and a lot of reform.

Thank you for everyone, whether you talked negatively or positively about me, it does not really matter, your words are a reflection of your person, not of mine.

Joumana Gebara

[hhhh23]

Originally Posted by Joumana Gebara

I urge everyone to stop for a second and to think what he/she is writing.

It is not about me, it is about a whole system which is violating every aspect of human rights and breaching everything called rule of law.

I cannot invent a story to please the one or the other, this is the story as it is. I never believed for a second that I would be arrested, for what? I live here and never imagined it could really happen although it happened to so many others (Take the 4 generals as mentioned by J.Abizeid) whether innocent or not they were arrested for 4 years. And although everyone told me it is a trick and not to go the police on Thursday because it was a trap, I dared and went. FPM officials warned me and wanted to protect me but I did not care because I was confident that no one would just arrest me without a reason (I thought we had a country which acts according to justice, besides I was denied every right to talk to a lawyer). Can anyone imagine what it feels like to be arrested?

When FPM guys were arrested back in the 90s and till 2004 I was active against the aggressors. Human dignity is human dignity, it does not matter which colour or religion you are.

I reiterate that this is not about me, I had more support than you can imagine although from Minister Tarek Mitri to director Laure Sleiman to x-people there was so much pressure. They tried with all means to ruin my reputation, with the worse imaginable tools, and lots benefited. All newspapers, Tvs and radios were under pressure. You can even ask the officials of tayyar.org whom I met yesterday, they talked about pressure which would have exploded if my release would have taken longer.

People were threatened because of me, because they stood with the righteous, it is awfull. Do you understand?

I really have to thank Abou zouade, P.B., H.Y. from tayyar.org/Sawt El Mada. They are the real heroes.

Since my release I live in an extreme void trying to understand what happened to me while I was completely cut off the world living between cockroaches in an 8x8 feet jail without water or food, without a pen or book. I do not want anyone's pity, nor compassion, I really need Lebanese to focus on the urgent need that this country requires more Human Rights, better laws, freedom of speech and a lot of reform.

Thank you for everyone, whether you talked negatively or positively about me, it does not really matter, your words are a reflection of your person, not of mine.

Joumana Gebara

What you, Joumana, and some of the others who replied to thsi dont understand, is that some forumers want to know the answer to the two highlighted points above. In other words:

What IS the story?

"For WHAT" were you arrested?

Without having the story (from anyone's perspective), one cannot formulate a personal opinion on the matter!

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by Joumana Gebara

I urge everyone to stop for a second and to think what he/she is writing.

It is not about me, it is about a whole system which is violating every aspect of human rights and breaching everything called rule of law.

I cannot invent a story to please the one or the other, this is the story as it is. I never believed for a second that I would be arrested, for what? I live here and never imagined it could really happen although it happened to so many others (Take the 4 generals as mentioned by J.Abizeid) whether innocent or not they were arrested for 4 years. And although everyone told me it is a trick and not to go the police on Thursday because it was a trap, I dared and went. FPM officials warned me and wanted to protect me but I did not care because I was confident that no one would just arrest me without a reason (I thought we had a country which acts according to justice, besides I was denied every right to talk to a lawyer). Can anyone imagine what it feels like to be arrested?

When FPM guys were arrested back in the 90s and till 2004 I was active against the aggressors. Human dignity is human dignity, it does not matter which colour or religion you are.

I reiterate that this is not about me, I had more support than you can imagine although from Minister Tarek Mitri to director Laure Sleiman to x-people there was so much pressure. They tried with all means to ruin my reputation, with the worse imaginable tools, and lots benefited. All newspapers, Tvs and radios were under pressure. You can even ask the officials of tayyar.org whom I met yesterday, they talked about pressure which would have exploded if my release would have taken longer.

People were threatened because of me, because they stood with the righteous, it is awfull. Do you understand?

I really have to thank Abou zouade, P.B., H.Y. from tayyar.org/Sawt El Mada. They are the real heroes.

Since my release I live in an extreme void trying to understand what happened to me while I was completely cut off the world living between cockroaches in an 8x8 feet jail without water or food, without a pen or book. I do not want anyone's pity, nor compassion, I really need Lebanese to focus on the urgent need that this country requires more Human Rights, better laws, freedom of speech and a lot of reform.

Thank you for everyone, whether you talked negatively or positively about me, it does not really matter, your words are a reflection of your person, not of mine.

Joumana Gebara

It is amazing that after all the posts here asking you to clarify you managed to write another (and rather long) post devoid of any content. You are ostensibly a reasonably intelligent person so the only conclusion is that you are being vague and obtuse on purpose, and I am not even going to waste time trying to speculate why. As far as I am concerned I am done with this charade and will not post another word in this thread.

[sanfour]

Originally Posted by Kurt

I think Joumana is her own independent product. I have known her very briefly but it is funny that some of us here and there become very judgemental to the point of accusing her of treason or unfaithfullness or shady character or whatever.

Why do we always have to dwell on petty political issues and forget Joumana's aweful incident? So if she doesn't support FPM politically (even though she does so profoundly) she loses our support and our sympathy?

You know, even sons and fathers don't agree on lots of issues so why is it not allowed for Joumana or for anyone else to have different perspectives or opinions without losing the core value of her own convictions.

no one accused her of treason so stop brownnosing.

[sanfour]

Originally Posted by Joumana Gebara

I urge everyone to stop for a second and to think what he/she is writing.

It is not about me, it is about a whole system which is violating every aspect of human rights and breaching everything called rule of law.

I cannot invent a story to please the one or the other, this is the story as it is. I never believed for a second that I would be arrested, for what? I live here and never imagined it could really happen although it happened to so many others (Take the 4 generals as mentioned by J.Abizeid) whether innocent or not they were arrested for 4 years. And although everyone told me it is a trick and not to go the police on Thursday because it was a trap, I dared and went. FPM officials warned me and wanted to protect me but I did not care because I was confident that no one would just arrest me without a reason (I thought we had a country which acts according to justice, besides I was denied every right to talk to a lawyer). Can anyone imagine what it feels like to be arrested?

When FPM guys were arrested back in the 90s and till 2004 I was active against the aggressors. Human dignity is human dignity, it does not matter which colour or religion you are.

I reiterate that this is not about me, I had more support than you can imagine although from Minister Tarek Mitri to director Laure Sleiman to x-people there was so much pressure. They tried with all means to ruin my reputation, with the worse imaginable tools, and lots benefited. All newspapers, Tvs and radios were under pressure. You can even ask the officials of tayyar.org whom I met yesterday, they talked about pressure which would have exploded if my release would have taken longer.

People were threatened because of me, because they stood with the righteous, it is awfull. Do you understand?

I really have to thank Abou zouade, P.B., H.Y. from tayyar.org/Sawt El Mada. They are the real heroes.

Since my release I live in an extreme void trying to understand what happened to me while I was completely cut off the world living between cockroaches in an 8x8 feet jail without water or food, without a pen or book. I do not want anyone's pity, nor compassion, I really need Lebanese to focus on the urgent need that this country requires more Human Rights, better laws, freedom of speech and a lot of reform.

Thank you for everyone, whether you talked negatively or positively about me, it does not really matter, your words are a reflection of your person, not of mine.

Joumana Gebara

you will have to excuse me,i am still under shock from Ghada Eid's
behaviour with MP Ibrahim Kanaan. forgive me if i see some similarities here
she also supports reform, human rights, freedom of speech etc....we all
do.
but, you see, i try to see things from where you are(i.e your camera,
your point of view, your input etc...) and there is some shade in a small
angle which is making the view blurred. you don't have to explain anything,
i assure you that the world will not be turning into anti-Joumana
and pro-Joumana camps.

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by sanfour

no one accused her of treason so stop brownnosing.

I will leave the brown nosing to others because I am free to say whatever I believe and no one has the right to tell me what do or not to do. I have had many encounters where I differed with Joumana so know what you are talking about ahead of time before you label people with terms like "brown nosing". You also need to understand that some people have other opinions that differ from yours (they are not cookie cutters), and as I recall some folks here asked for more elaboration and explanation since what Joumana said a year ago doesn't fit well with what the majority believe here I reckon .

Why should she need to do that anyway?

And my second question to you is: Why did you copy and paste what she said a year ago? I don't really get it. To prove what? This young lady endured hardships but you rushed on smearing her "political" reputation just to request more proof that "if God forbid you said that Joumana then you are not one to be trusted", you know when you implied that she jumped ships.

Anyway, I feel that this nonsense is out of context because this young lady is basically saying to all of us that she was mistreated wrongfully and it has nothing to do with what she believes or not because the situation involves civil rights - but I know most of you can not diassociate yourselves from petty politics.

[sanfour]

Originally Posted by Kurt

I will leave the brown nosing to others because I am free to say whatever I believe and no one has the right to tell me what do or not to do. I have had many encounters where I differed with Joumana so know what you are talking about ahead of time before you label people with terms like "brown nosing". You also need to understand that some people have other opinions that differ from yours (they are not cookie cutters), and as I recall some folks here asked for more elaboration and explanation since what Joumana said a year ago doesn't fit well with what the majority believe here I reckon .

Why should she need to do that anyway?

she doesn't need to but she should expect that she will be asked
to do it because we are in a public forum. you can't deny
other people's right to ask. anyway, i didn't ask for
any explanation about what she wrote.

And my second question to you is: Why did you copy and paste what she said a year ago? I don't really get it. To prove what? .

i was in a conversation with another forumer, why should i explain
it to you?

This young lady endured hardships but you rushed on smearing her "political" reputation just to request more proof that "if God forbid you said that Joumana then you are not one to be trusted", you know when you implied that she jumped ships

i have the right to freedom of speech. so....what if i said that she
jumped ships? what if i meant that i don't trust her because i have
a problem with the general trend of her writings before a certain period
and after a certain period? feel free to agree or not agree with me,
feel free to accuse me of "smearing her political reputation"...wow....
i am impressed. am i supposed to be intimated?

Anyway, I feel that this nonsense is out of context because this young lady is basically saying to all of us that she was mistreated wrongfully and it has nothing to do with what she believes or not because the situation involves civil rights - but I know most of you can not diassociate yourselves from petty politics.

yeah ok, civil rights. i am still waiting for Bahia Hariri tda3wiss Tarek
Mitri w tdekko bel 7abss.

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by Joumana Gebara

I urge everyone to stop for a second and to think what he/she is writing.

It is not about me, it is about a whole system which is violating every aspect of human rights and breaching everything called rule of law.

Joumana Gebara

Don’t waste your breath.
You are dealing with three types of animals: The Good the Bad and the Ugly.
The title of this tread is: Joumana Gebara Arrested
Some wanted to focus on the first part; others on the second.
(1) The Good understood the issue is about a corrupt and failed judicial system worse than the Syrian or the Turkish one in the Midnight Express:
(2) The Bad got confused wondering if he should support “The freedom of expression” in case it applied to someone who might be from another camp or guilty of some unrelated crime.
(3) The Ugly is the smart *** Gofer/Gopher who crawls from one camp to another through underground holes using fake names and his paid job is to make sure the Bad stays badly confused and mislead by attacking the credibility of the Good.

The irony is in the Bad who’s listening to, and siding with the Ugly whose objective is to punish you personally for breaking ranks and questioning his master’s integrity as soon as you started smelling a rat.
Let me just say this, late is better than never, I’ve been there myself, so have most of the FPM supporters especially the Christians among them. It is no secret we all came from the same background and experienced the same deceptions.
My message to you is as follows:
If you want to support the desperately needed Change and Reform for this country through the FPM, you are welcome to do so!
If you want to do it independently, I still respect you and support you for I know you are capable of doing it as a free thinker. I admire you for walking across through landmines separating opposite camps in search for common ground not divisions- your head held high and using your own name, unlike the gofers that live in dark tunnels and crawl with confused identity.
The FPM is not about the FPM rank and file or leadership. It’s about the message and the mission which is Change and Reform. Your latest ordeal proves the FPM point.

To those who rather discuss Joumana Gebara the person not the Illegal Arrest that proved illegal since she was released without charges or bail... I suggest opening another thread with a different topic.

To the rest of the FPM supporters who mistakenly listened to the devil I say, don’t send the wrong message to well intended people from the other side considering to join us.

This is not a US Justice Supreme Court confirmation hearing for God sake!

[SeekNirvana]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

will it be adapted to the big screen because i don't read books

Heh, shefet kif? This is why you don't understand the magnitude of this.