Israeli transmission station in Barouk, Chouf

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by e.kid

None whatsoever.
It was our fault.

French could say the same about germans
Greek can say the same about the turks
We can also say the same about syrian
I have relatives killed by the syrians, is it a reason to refuse to trade with them forever ?

Only a very small percentage of the French resisted, not all of them. That's always the case when it comes to occupations and resistances. A small minority have the guts to stand up while the rest chicken.

When you trade with Syria, you do it with no fear of harmful plots. From Israel no good can come.

BTW, My position is that is was the lebaneese fault for letting the palestinaians attack israel since the late 60s

It was Israel's fault first and the Arab's fault second. The Lebanese were too blood thirsty and sick to come third. Had there been no brainwashing machine working, we wouldn't have seen people run sharp blades over necks and rape with broken glass bottles. Gross.

before that, everybody was living happily and in peace

Who's everybody? Allow me to correct you, only the group that controlled everything and had everything and refused to share was the happy group. The rest were living a struggle to be recognized as normal human beings by their own country.

We got what we deserved
we destroyed our country
that goes for shiaa, sunnis, christians, druze, jews, ...
we destroyed our country, and we deserved what we got
we dont even want to get out of this

Yeah, and so let's continue destroying ourselves because we did it in the past?

Slumber...

[Genius]

Originally Posted by e.kid

You are still at war with israel because we seems to be some kind of mazo
Israel is dying to sign peace with us, and is ready to give back your beloved empty shebaa
We are the hypocrite who wants everything back, but without signing a peace treaty
cut the BS
You dont want peace
you want to fight israel because of .... fill in the blank (iran, syria, golan, palestine, jerusalem...)
all of the above are not lebaneese pb
would you accept to end war and sign peace if israel accept all the lebaneese issues (chebaa, kfarshouba, and the remaining lebaneese prisoners) ?
I'm sure israel will accept
your the one who wants war, not israel
so stop whining if a house is destroyed or civilians are killed





yup, not only the promised land
they call themselve "God chosen people", which is very racist in my book.
however, doesnt the muslims want jerusalem forthe same "religious" reasons?
again, bonet blanc, and blanc bonnet.
But that is not a reason for war.
I think we should put lebaneese interests, and lebanon economy above all, even if it means buying internet from israel. It is time to look at our priorities HongKong or Hanoi?
when you accept to think only about pure lebaneese interest, the pb will be over?

sign a peace treaty ? what do you do with the palestinians in Lebanon ? or the politicians assasinated left and right ? and the spying rings ? etc ...

look at the reality ... you are a second class human being ... once we became in the same class.. then i will sign a peace treaty

[e.kid]

Originally Posted by Genius

sign a peace treaty ? what do you do with the palestinians in Lebanon ? or the politicians assasinated left and right ? and the spying rings ? etc ...

look at the reality ... you are a second class human being ... once we became in the same class.. then i will sign a peace treaty

Spying rings?
we are still at war
it is normal to have spying rings :)
also, there are spying ring between israel and the US, the US and france, ...
do you think HA doesnt have spying rings in israel
spying is a normal thing

Palestinians ? again, that is not a purely lebaneese issue
we cant wait forever for a solution
lets save lebanon, than we see what to do with 400K palestinians
we can even negotiate their transfer to syria, egypt, canada, australia, ...
I realy dont care
I just want to end the war you were complaining of
unfortunatly, i was right, YOU WANT THE WAR, and you will always try to find excuses for it

As to thhe class stuff, doesnt matter, you can consider them 3rd class
that will make you even

PS: For the assassinations, you need to look east, not south :)

[e.kid]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

It was Israel's fault first and the Arab's fault second. The Lebanese were too blood thirsty and sick to come third. Had there been no brainwashing machine working, we wouldn't have seen people run sharp blades over necks and rape with broken glass bottles. Gross.

Its the lebaneese fault and theirs only
it is also the fault of the secterian system in place
whatever you do, there will always be a sect that will feel oppressed,, rightly or wrongly, and ready to take knives and guns.
that is why we need to have federal system / sectarian autonomy
so the sects cant blame each others for their own problems
its that simple

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Who's everybody? Allow me to correct you, only the group that controlled everything and had everything and refused to share was the happy group. The rest were living a struggle to be recognized as normal human beings by their own country.

But that was not Israel fault
This is lebaneese internal stuff
blame the local governments
and blame the shiaa representative back then
didnt someone say: "why do you want schools, kamel is going to school"
that is a different debate that has nothing to do with israel

[Genius]

Originally Posted by e.kid

Spying rings?
we are still at war
it is normal to have spying rings :)
also, there are spying ring between israel and the US, the US and france, ...
do you think HA doesnt have spying rings in israel
spying is a normal thing

Palestinians ? again, that is not a purely lebaneese issue
we cant wait forever for a solution
lets save lebanon, than we see what to do with 400K palestinians
we can even negotiate their transfer to syria, egypt, canada, australia, ...
I realy dont care
I just want to end the war you were complaining of
unfortunatly, i was right, YOU WANT THE WAR, and you will always try to find excuses for it

As to thhe class stuff, doesnt matter, you can consider them 3rd class
that will make you even

PS: For the assassinations, you need to look east, not south :)

you are so right
spying rings with explosives are normal.
we should sign a peace treaty and then, one day, we can export the palestinians somewhere, all countries all dying to have 500K palestinians one shot.
yes i want the war, i enjoy every second of it.
it doesnt matter if Israel wants to sign a treaty that suits its interests, no problems, we will sign it, we will give Israel all the water, keep the palestinians without their land ... after all who cares ,, you dont, why should i

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Genius

you are so right
spying rings with explosives are normal.
we should sign a peace treaty and then, one day, we can export the palestinians somewhere, all countries all dying to have 500K palestinians one shot.
yes i want the war, i enjoy every second of it.
it doesnt matter if Israel wants to sign a treaty that suits its interests, no problems, we will sign it, we will give Israel all the water, keep the palestinians without their land ... after all who cares ,, you dont, why should i

if only we had 1 coin for each time we said this to them, we'd be filthy rich

and if only they grew 1 neuron each time we said this stuff, then today they would be able to understand us

it is sickening to keep repeating to some weird kiddo preaching defeatists that not any peace is peace and that we have our national interests to consider first and foremost being the displaced palestinian issue b4 we can start to doze off and day dream about living in green fields and getting high smoking weed.

then many of them doze off to talk about a confedarcy of hostility to resolve all their woes failing to notice that a call for confederation is only usefull when it's actually useful and not a call for everyone to pick up his shotgun and go live in his private toilet cube unplanned and clueless.

why would any israeli spying activity annoy them much ?

i mean come on, israel publicly breaks our national airspace and water space daily and that doesnt bother them much.

and if israel bombs a birdge they blame it on hizbullah, and if israel tryings to wipe out the hizb then some of them only wish if israel just used a nuclear bomb instead.

so in short, to keep things short, fanatics are not expected to be reasonable to start with.

it is only saddening that we get sad samples from other camps who learned absolutly nothing from the history of lebanon preaching us some more about their brand of suicidal nihilism they call 'lebanon awalan' that has nothing to do with lebanon apart from their cherished hollow hyprocite misleading slogan with the word 'lebanon' in it

many just actually believe israel isn't a state of nutjobs, wow

how can we fight/negotiate with israel and eventually force good peace terms with israel if we give the slimy israeli politicians on every occassion the chance to jump over us and just go directly to the traitors in our society to throw more bones to them to backstab us..

i believe in defending our rights, i believe that we need to be tough in negogiations not weak, i believe eventually we need a just peace with israel, i believe that in israeli society there are lots of political vampires and a lot of fanatic supporters but not all, i believe that in lebanon we have lots of sick mentally retarded ppl who dont even deserve to be lebanese in any shape or form becuz of their preaching attitude, but i also believe that if enough lebanese choose the right leaders and the right course of action we can avoid internal civil war, we can avoid losing to israel, we can have peace someday on good terms that resolve our problems that israel created for us without us becoming dirty tart cakes that everybody has his hands in like our detractors from the harririst camp keep righteously preaching about.

assuming who is doing the assinations and assuming that it's bassita to have israeli spying rings while they want 'peace' and others want 'war' is by far the greatest sign that we have too many clueless kids in our midst who consider themselves scholars by just looking at the mirror and holding a kindergarten book upside down playing make pretend.

[Genius]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

if only we had 1 coin for each time we said this to them, we'd be filthy rich

and if only they grew 1 neuron each time we said this stuff, then today they would be able to understand us

it is sickening to keep repeating to some weird kiddo preaching defeatists that not any peace is peace and that we have our national interests to consider first and foremost being the displaced palestinian issue b4 we can start to doze off and day dream about living in green fields and getting high smoking weed.

then many of them doze off to talk about a confedarcy of hostility to resolve all their woes failing to notice that a call for confederation is only usefull when it's actually useful and not a call for everyone to pick up his shotgun and go live in his private toilet cube unplanned and clueless.

why would any israeli spying activity annoy them much ?

i mean come on, israel publicly breaks our national airspace and water space daily and that doesnt bother them much.

and if israel bombs a birdge they blame it on hizbullah, and if israel tryings to wipe out the hizb then some of them only wish if israel just used a nuclear bomb instead.

so in short, to keep things short, fanatics are not expected to be reasonable to start with.

it is only saddening that we get sad samples from other camps who learned absolutly nothing from the history of lebanon preaching us some more about their brand of suicidal nihilism they call 'lebanon awalan' that has nothing to do with lebanon apart from their cherished hollow hyprocite misleading slogan with the word 'lebanon' in it

many just actually believe israel isn't a state of nutjobs, wow

how can we fight/negotiate with israel and eventually force good peace terms with israel if we give the slimy israeli politicians on every occassion the chance to jump over us and just go directly to the traitors in our society to throw more bones to them to backstab us..

i believe in defending our rights, i believe that we need to be tough in negogiations not weak, i believe eventually we need a just peace with israel, i believe that in israeli society there are lots of political vampires and a lot of fanatic supporters but not all, i believe that in lebanon we have lots of sick mentally retarded ppl who dont even deserve to be lebanese in any shape or form becuz of their preaching attitude, but i also believe that if enough lebanese choose the right leaders and the right course of action we can avoid internal civil war, we can avoid losing to israel, we can have peace someday on good terms that resolve our problems that israel created for us without us becoming dirty tart cakes that everybody has his hands in like our detractors from the harririst camp keep righteously preaching about.

assuming who is doing the assinations and assuming that it's bassita to have israeli spying rings while they want 'peace' and others want 'war' is by far the greatest sign that we have too many clueless kids in our midst who consider themselves scholars by just looking at the mirror and holding a kindergarten book upside down playing make pretend.

we cannot blame them .. after all they were thought they are not arabs, that their ancestors came from another planet, they are not part of the environment, they were parachuted from the sky above or digged in phoenician graves. Come on .. they are lebanese, superior to any other race especialy these filthy arabs and palestinians ...
They have no clue how the whole region is connected, how peace is regional, how war is regional ...
the world is opening up for a better tomorrow, North America free trading and Europe .. is one !!! and then lebanese are looking for ways to hate eachothers and create little cantons, that's the way to success ...
thats all hatred ... I friggin hate having lebanese roots in such moments !!

g night !!

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Genius

we cannot blame them .. after all they were thought they are not arabs, that their ancestors came from another planet, they are not part of the environment, they were parachuted from the sky above or digged in phoenician graves. Come on .. they are lebanese, superior to any other race especialy these filthy arabs and palestinians ...
They have no clue how the whole region is connected, how peace is regional, how war is regional ...
the world is opening up for a better tomorrow, North America free trading and Europe .. is one !!! and then lebanese are looking for ways to hate eachothers and create little cantons, that's the way to success ...
thats all hatred ... I friggin hate having lebanese roots in such moments !!

g night !!

it's not a one group thing these days,

it's a multi group circus with bits contributed from each lebanese community.

PSP, LFer, FMer they have a lots of 'theories' going around now that are suicidal and nothing is constant about them apart from the 'insane' part.

luckly we are past this stereotypical mental prison of the 70s, at least in my christian community we are out of the 'lemmings path'

not everybody is delusional, and that is a very good thing

we got some fruitcakes in our allies, but their theories are much less destructive than the fabulous 14 bunch

after the war of 2006 we could have entered peace negitiations on very favorable terms if some arabic leader snakes and some arabic blind bigot supporters didn't rush to save israel's face after its shocking defeat..

this is the brand of insanity that i am talking about, that compounds upon itself with mindless preaching and hate and ends up causing more second round wars while it preachess about an empty hollow slogan of 'peace'

belittling the aggressive nature of israeli spy rings and belittling the local counter intelligence success in discovering them is also another nutjob stance that narrowly serves partisan interests and weakens the national stance of the country by willingly depriving the nation from its strong cards come negogiation day.

[TayyarBeino]

اسيل: القضاء لم يتحرك رغم أننا بعثنا اليه ملف محطة بث الانترنت كاملا
10 آب 2009

أكد وزير الاتصالات جبران باسيل أن محطة بث الانترنت في الباروك التي كانت توزع خطوط مصدرها اسرائيل قد فككت رغم المراجعات العديدة السياسية وغير السياسية، مشددا على أن "ما تم قد تم".
باسيل وفي حديث لقناة "الجديد" جدد القول الى أن القضاء لم يتحرك رغم أن وزارة الاتصالات بعثت اليه ملف محطة البث كاملا وتضمن معدات وصور وتقرير فني واسماء الاشخاص واسم الشركة، مشيرا الى أن ما تم يشعر الشخص ان هناك تواطؤ من مستفيدين في الداخل والخارج والقضاء متفرج

[cedarheart]

Originally Posted by TayyarBeino

اسيل: القضاء لم يتحرك رغم أننا بعثنا اليه ملف محطة بث الانترنت كاملا
10 آب 2009

أكد وزير الاتصالات جبران باسيل أن محطة بث الانترنت في الباروك التي كانت توزع خطوط مصدرها اسرائيل قد فككت رغم المراجعات العديدة السياسية وغير السياسية، مشددا على أن "ما تم قد تم".
باسيل وفي حديث لقناة "الجديد" جدد القول الى أن القضاء لم يتحرك رغم أن وزارة الاتصالات بعثت اليه ملف محطة البث كاملا وتضمن معدات وصور وتقرير فني واسماء الاشخاص واسم الشركة، مشيرا الى أن ما تم يشعر الشخص ان هناك تواطؤ من مستفيدين في الداخل والخارج والقضاء متفرج

Can someone please remind me who's the minister of justice and from which party he is? Did his party ever collaborate with israel?

We have one minister doing his job, and on the other side a minister totally out of the picture.... who do you think is attacked all day long and politicians are trying the hardest to see him out of the next government??? Akid the first, we're in Lebanon after all!