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sometimes, one has to sacrifice the small pawns to protect a more
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Guys, regardless of our stance against the Fer3 Ma3loumet and the legality of its existence, we must keep in mind that Israel is a common enemy to us all. Their spies are falling like flies, and personally I am glad the Fer3 is doing its job. The beneficiary is Lebanon, regardless of the politics involved.
I hope that you're right when you say that Israel is our common enemy because considering what happened in the last 4 years , I doubt that the people behind Fer3 Ma3loumet still consider Israel an enemy.
Most of them were praying for Israel to win the war against Hizbollah in 2006.
In my opinion, what is happening now is an attempt to polish the image of this Fer3 after the scandalous role it played during the last 4 years especially in Rafik Hariri's assassination investigations.
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sometimes, one has to sacrifice the small pawns to protect a more
valuable piece.
Could the valuable pieces be people like Samir Geagea, Sanioura and all the clowns that are aligned with the Neoconservatives plans?

Question one might ask, is why would any Lebanese align with the devil (Israhell) in this case to hurt his fellow countrymen?

I think it’s not only the duty of HA or our Leb army to reveal those moles but every patriotic, nationalist Lebanese should be aware that so long Israel exist our whole entity is in stake, our community is infiltrated, our brave leaders are threatened.

In unity and resistant we are strong
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Cedarjet mentioned it, spying cells, with minimum respect , are autonomous, for maximal efficiency and also for safety and redundancy reasons. I don't buy this "falls one, falls others.." chain
As someone already said in this thread, for every cell that is caught there are probably 20 others still active, and that is understatement.

While most cells are de-coupled from each other, isn't it possible that more than one cell can be compromised by catching a high profile agent or getting an important clue? Maybe some sort of interaction between two or more cells is needed for their function?

If the answer is yes, the theory that several cells falling domino style after an big catch or discovery could be true despite autonomy/redundancy operational procedures. Keep in mind this does not mean that the cells compromised in this manner form any significant share of the total operational cells...

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A couple of days ago mohammad raad said in an electoral gathering they dont have anything to do with the new achievements and that its good to see others participating in catching enemy cells etcc..
If this is true, it means the catches by the Fer3 el Ma3loumet were independent of the catches by Hezbollah. But then, how come the timing of both catches is so close? Chances are this is not a coincidence, and factors other then operational efficiency effected the timing.

It could be this is election propaganda material (this applies to the timing of both sides), to show that the pro Hezbollah organs are not the only ones doing anti Israeli espionage work, and to make a case that the Fer3 el Ma3loumet is a useful organ. More sinister explanations already mentioned are possibilities... i.e. to protect more valuable assets, some pawns were sacrificed. Hypothetically, if Hezbollah & Co. were on their way to catch a big fish who is loyal to Feb. 14, it would make sense to launch a pre-emptive strike in the form of pro Feb. 14 organ catching Israeli agents.
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As someone already said in this thread, for every cell that is caught there are probably 20 others still active, and that is understatement.

While most cells are de-coupled from each other, isn't it possible that more than one cell can be compromised by catching a high profile agent or getting an important clue? Maybe some sort of interaction between two or more cells is needed for their function?

If the answer is yes, the theory that several cells falling domino style after an big catch or discovery could be true despite autonomy/redundancy operational procedures. Keep in mind this does not mean that the cells compromised in this manner form any significant share of the total operational cells...

I guess the disadvantages of having one Master Spy or high profile figure with info and/or responsibility over several spy rings outweighs the advantages. I remember i read once somewhere that this approach to spying activities was proven to be fatal to both the americans and the sovjets during early cold war era, when whole spying structures were easily dismounted by contra-espionage efforts after revealing few key figures.. Do you figure the Israelis are not up to date on these issues? of course unless we're dealing with very old cells that have managed to multiply inside own family breedings, as time went by ;)
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ya, but what's equally important is that the isf was late and just seemingly impotent til just very recently
read this: بعد عملية رصد دامت نحو ثلاث سنوات

Give credit where credit is due. Not everything should be politicized to make FPM look good and the current government look bad. These same people will be reporting to an FPM-led government, if you win the elections. Will they then become "good" in your eyes?

The hilarity on this board never ceases to amaze me...
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read this: بعد عملية رصد دامت نحو ثلاث سنوات

Give credit where credit is due. Not everything should be politicized to make FPM look good and the current government look bad. These same people will be reporting to an FPM-led government, if you win the elections. Will they then become "good" in your eyes?

The hilarity on this board never ceases to amaze me...
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وذكر مسؤول أمني رفيع لـ«الأخبار» أن عدداً من الأهداف التي حددها السحمراني للإسرائيليين تعرضت للقصف خلال حرب تموز 2006. وتجدر الإشارة إلى أن حزب الله كان قد أعلم المديرية العامة لقوى الأمن الداخلي بعد عدوان تموز عن اشتباه جهاز أمن المقاومة بأن السحمراني يعمل لحساب الموساد، فأوقف فرع المعلومات المشتبه فيه وأخضعه لتحقيق، إلا أن ذلك لم يؤد إلى كشف ارتباطاته. ومن ناحية أخرى، كان السحمراني قد أوقف عام 2003، عندما كان يعمل في وحدة الشرطة القضائية في قوى الأمن الداخلي، بتهمة ترويج المخدرات. وبعد إدانته، أحيل على المجلس التأديبي فخفضت رتبته من معاون إلى رقيب أول، وأخرج من الشرطة القضائية ليعمل سائقاً لدى ضابط برتبة رائد واختصاصه طبيب في قوى الامن.

dude HA knew about him and your fere3 it seems did nothing or did they ????
but when they could no longer tolerate it , they had to act and force his arest again.
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وذكر مسؤول أمني رفيع لـ«الأخبار» أن عدداً من الأهداف التي حددها السحمراني للإسرائيليين تعرضت للقصف خلال حرب تموز 2006. وتجدر الإشارة إلى أن حزب الله كان قد أعلم المديرية العامة لقوى الأمن الداخلي بعد عدوان تموز عن اشتباه جهاز أمن المقاومة بأن السحمراني يعمل لحساب الموساد، فأوقف فرع المعلومات المشتبه فيه وأخضعه لتحقيق، إلا أن ذلك لم يؤد إلى كشف ارتباطاته. ومن ناحية أخرى، كان السحمراني قد أوقف عام 2003، عندما كان يعمل في وحدة الشرطة القضائية في قوى الأمن الداخلي، بتهمة ترويج المخدرات. وبعد إدانته، أحيل على المجلس التأديبي فخفضت رتبته من معاون إلى رقيب أول، وأخرج من الشرطة القضائية ليعمل سائقاً لدى ضابط برتبة رائد واختصاصه طبيب في قوى الامن.

dude HA knew about him and your fere3 it seems did nothing or did they ????
but when they could no longer tolerate it , they had to act and force his arest again.
Dude, HA might have told them about him, but there's obviously investigative work needed to be able to round up all the accused and not just one guy, and that can take months or years, depending on the complexity of the cell. I don't claim to know all the details, but neither do you. So, until all the details are divulged, do not politicize this for your petty electoral aims.

These same investigators will be working under your government, if you do win the elections. Obviously, seeing how FPMers go from despising a guy to loving him (read: Frangieh, Berri, Wahab, etc.), I expect you to be lauding these efforts if and when you form the new government. I've seen this script on this forum so many times, it's predictable.
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معلومات للمنار: اكتشاف شبكتي تجسس جديدتين
تقرير خاص قناة المنار



04/05/2009 علمت قناة المنار أنَ القوى الأمنيةَ اللبنانية اوقفت عصرَ الاثنين شبكةً جديدة من شبكاتِ التجسس الاسرائيلية قِوامُها الأخوانِ (حسن وجعفر ي) من بلدة السلطانية و( حسين ح) من دير انطار، جنوبي لبنان. وكانت تعملُ على مجموعةٍ من الأهداف التابعةِ لحزب الله وتَجري الآنَ تحقيقاتٌ مكثفةٌ معها لمعرفةِ تاريخِ عملها مع العدو الصهيوني وطبيعةِ المعلوماتِ التي سلمتها له، فيما نفت القوى الأمنيةُ ما أثيرَ عن توقيفاتٍ في بلدةِ حبوش، تتواصلُ التحقيقاتُ مع َ الرقيب أوّل في قوى الأمن الداخلي اللبناني هيثم السحمراني الذي خدمَ في فرع المعلومات، وقد أفادت معلوماتٌ للمنار أنَ مخابراتِ الجيش قامت اليومَ بتوقيفِ شخصٍ جديدٍ للتّحقيقِ معه حولَ شبكةِ السحمراني.

فثمانية أذرع من أخطبوط العمالة لاسرائيل اكتشفت منذ أيلول الماضي والحبل على الجرّار.آخر تلك الشبكات سكنت الطبقة السابعة من هذا المبنى في منطقة برج البراجنة في الضاحية الجنوبية لبيروت.
صحيفتا السفير والاخبار ذكرتا أنّ الرّقيب أوّل في قوى الامن الداخلي هيثم السحمراني أحد المشتبه فيهم الخاضعين للمراقبة منذ أكثر من 3 أعوام، أوقف قبل نحو أسبوع ثمّ أوقفت زوجته التي تبيّن انّها تملك كما كبيرا من المعلومات.وقد اعترف السحمراني بأنه تجنّد للعمل لحساب العدو عام 2004، عبر شقيقته التي تعيش مع زوجها داخل الأراضي الفلسطينية المحتلة منذ أن فرا إليها عام 2000. و صادرت القوى الأمنية من منزل السحمراني جهاز كومبيوتر كان يستخدمه للتواصل مع مشغليه الإسرائيليين عبر شبكة الانترنت .
أمّا مهامّه فهي جمع معلومات تفصيلية عن مسؤولي المقاومة وأفرادها ومراكزها في الضاحية الجنوبية، وهو حدد عدداً كبيراً من أهداف تعرّض بعضها للقصف خلال حرب تموز 2006.
السحمراني الذي خدم في جهاز فرع المعلومات جعل التحقيقات معه تتركّز حول امكانية اختراق الشبكة الاسرائيلية لهذا الجهاز.
عميل اخر تم توقيفه لكن هذه المرة في مدينة النبطية حيث نقلت صحيفة الأخبارعن مسؤول رفيع نجاح جهاز امن المقاومة بالتنسيق مع قوى الأمن الداخلي أواسط الأسبوع الماضي بتوقيف تاجر السيارات مصطفى عواضة (55 عاماً) وتبين بعد مداهمة منزله امتلاكه أجهزة تقنية فضلا عن العثور على جهاز مراقبة موضوع داخل مرآة سيارته.
اما العميل علي منتش الذي اوقف منذ اسبوع فأظهرت تحقيقات جهاز فرع المعلومات معه أنّه كلّف بعد عدوان 2006 مراقبة رئيس لجنة الارتباط والتنسيق في حزب الله الحاج وفيق صفا وجمع معلومات شخصية عنه وعن عائلته ومنزله وكيفية حضوره الى البلدة اضافة الى ثلاثة آخرين من قيادات غير مدنية في الحزب.
وبحسب المعلومات الّتي ذكرتها "الأخبار" فإنّ هؤلاء العملاء استخدموا جميعهم تقنيات متطوّرة أبرزها:
كاميرات تصوير خاصة تُزرع في عدد من ادوات التمويه مثل براد صغير كحالة العميد أديب العلم او في مرايا السيارات كما هي الحال عند علي منتش ومصطفى عواضة وعلي الجراح .
استخدام هواتف خلوية مع بطاقات مسبقة الدفع صادرة عن أكثر من دولة وبعضها يمكن استخدامه على الحدود بين لبنان وفلسطين المحتلة.
اضافة الى العمل على مسح مناطق وأحياء سكنية ومؤسسات عامة وخاصة في لبنان وسوريا وتحديدا مناطق في الجنوب تعتبرها اسرائيل عسكرية خاصة بحزب الله وتعجز الأقمار الصناعية في الوصول الى بعض تفاصيلها.
محاولة جمع معلومات والتقرب من شخصيات يعتقد أنها قريبة من المقاومة او تسهل الوصول اليها او الى كوادرها..

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