Israel will try to transfer over a million more Palestinian into Lebanon

[johnnyFPM]

Originally Posted by barid

That would be ironic though, letting the arabs pay the compensations for the Israely arabic conflict. it is like I shoot you and your cousin pays the compensation. Really ironic.

That's what the Arabs have done in both Iraqi wars...

[Aroma]

thax! ur telling us to get prepared to another war!Yallah,will start packing!

[NewB]

Originally Posted by naty

thax! ur telling us to get prepared to another war!Yallah,will start packing!

Moving forward it will be victory after victory :)

For those that know the mleekh story, they will know what I'm talking about.

[kappa273]

perhaps we can transfer those in lebanon to Bahrain:

Al-Bandar Ejection Exposes Bahrain Split
By LAUREN FRAYER
The Associated Press
Monday, October 2, 2006; 5:18 PM

CAIRO, Egypt -- When a former consultant to Bahrain's government accused the island's Sunni rulers of plotting to rig a vote, he was expelled from the country _ but also became something of a cause celebre in the Shiite-Sunni divide.

Salah al-Bandar, a British citizen of Sudanese origin and a Sunni Muslim, worked for Bahrain's Cabinet affairs minister and the government statistics agency before accusing top government officials of a secret plot to "deprive an essential part of the population" _ Shiites _ of their rights.


Al-Bandar issued a bundle of documents to back up his allegations. They included a memo by a top Sunni academic from Iraq calling for Shiites to be "cleansed" from Bahrain and bank statements showing the transfer of large sums from government coffers to anti-Shiite figures.

"Individuals were selected by the Cabinet affairs minister for the purpose of disenfranchising the Shiites and removing them from all circles of influence in all government departments," al-Bandar told the Al-Wasat newspaper.

Al-Bandar maintains he was expelled from Bahrain last month and later accused of treason as punishment for exposing a government plot to rig parliamentary elections in November.

Bahrain, a tiny Persian Gulf kingdom which hosts the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet, has a population of 725,000 and is about 60 percent Shiite. The island's government is dominated by a Sunni ruling family _ the only country where a Sunni minority rules over a Shiite majority since the U.S. toppled Saddam Hussein's regime in Baghdad in 2003.

Sectarian tension boiled over in Bahrain in the 1990s, when liberal dissidents joined Shiites in violent protests that contributed to wider social unrest and the deaths of 40 people.

In a region where election-rigging is common but rarely talked about under authoritarian regimes, the current scandal in Bahrain has made surprising waves in a country that has had only one parliamentary election in the past 30 years.

Amnesty International and other human rights groups have criticized recent government restrictions on free speech and public gatherings as violations of international law.

Opposition parties accuse Bahrain's government of doling out citizenship and voting rights to migrants from other Arab countries as well as Pakistan, Bangladesh and India to dilute the power of the Shiite majority.

On Friday, thousands of protesters took to the streets west of Bahrain's capital, Manama, to urge the government to stop granting citizenship to migrants ahead of the November elections. A small group of youths clashed with riot police firing tear gas and rubber bullets, and at least two people were injured.

Bahrain's interior minister, Sheik Rashid bin Abdulla al-Khalifa, says naturalization has not been accelerated, and that 5,000 immigrants have been granted citizenship since 2004. But independent research done by the Al-Wasat newspaper said more than 30,000 were granted citizenship since 2002, at a rate of 7,500 per year.

At the same time, some Sunnis accuse shadowy "Iranian agents" of buying property in contested electoral districts to tilt the ethnic balance in favor of their Bahraini Shiite brethren. State-run newspapers in Bahrain reported that Prime Minister Sheik Khalifa bin Salman al-Khalifa foiled the plan by freezing real estate deals, and some Sunnis distributed pamphlets calling for Bahrainis of Iranian descent to be deported.

Elections were originally scheduled for May, then postponed indefinitely until a Friday announcement that polls would take place Nov. 25.

[Hector]

I have not heard of 1,000,000 Israeli Arabs transferring to Lebanon few moths before the July War?

Is there 1,000,000 Israeli Arabs in Israel? seems very high, does that mean all of them?

cleansing all 1 million Arabs that are citizens of Israel and relocate them to Lebanon seems like a far fetched idea

[taifoon]

Abu,

Due to the apocalyptic nature of your scenario, I strongly doubt that uprooting and pushing one million people into Lebanon was or is doable, neither during july war nor in the near future, UNLESS it is done as a consequence and under the cover of a much bigger chaos, namely an all out war against Iran.

I try to keep in mind that, despite the general unreliability of our human nature, destructive moves of powerfull and whimsical rulers are much more regulated and restricted today than they were 50 years ago, due to many conditions. Ironically enough, one of those conditions is that, by claiming they belong to the cream of our civilized and "democratic" world, those lunatics are, at least to some extent, restrained from running amuck, uncontrolled. This is why i think that Israel and the americans will need a huge cover in order for them to dare such a drastic demographic move. A devastating war on Iran, under which the israelis may get attacked from the outside as well from inside, however harmless those inside attacks are, may become that needed alibi for kicking out thousands of palestinians, in all directions.

I don't think that emptying the south from those stubborn lebanese is a far fetched idea, however. In all cases, it will not be for the sake of relocating palestinians, what a waste that would be. If this happens, it will be for pure israeli expansion dreams and mainly as a strategic move to secure more water and land resources. The rest of Lebanon is ideally assumed to be fully occupied with the sectarian killing and counter killing business.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by taifoon

Abu,

Due to the apocalyptic nature of your scenario, I strongly doubt that uprooting and pushing one million people into Lebanon was or is doable, neither during july war nor in the near future, UNLESS it is done as a consequence and under the cover of a much bigger chaos, namely an all out war against Iran.

I try to keep in mind that, despite the general unreliability of our human nature, destructive moves of powerfull and whimsical rulers are much more regulated and restricted today than they were 50 years ago, due to many conditions. Ironically enough, one of those conditions is that, by claiming they belong to the cream of our civilized and "democratic" world, those lunatics are, at least to some extent, restrained from running amuck, uncontrolled. This is why i think that Israel and the americans will need a huge cover in order for them to dare such a drastic demographic move. A devastating war on Iran, under which the israelis may get attacked from the outside as well from inside, however harmless those inside attacks are, may become that needed alibi for kicking out thousands of palestinians, in all directions.

I don't think that emptying the south from those stubborn lebanese is a far fetched idea, however. In all cases, it will not be for the sake of relocating palestinians, what a waste that would be. If this happens, it will be for pure israeli expansion dreams and mainly as a strategic move to secure more water and land resources. The rest of Lebanon is ideally assumed to be fully occupied with the sectarian killing and counter killing business.

Tai

I almost fully agree with what you said.You hit the nail:War on Iran and other likewise apocalyptic scenarios throughout the region, will indeed serve as a cover to such a huge operation.

Israel needed the south Litani for several reasons,one of them,as a place for future settling of newly expelled Palestinians.(Under its control,and Arab blessings...A Dahlan land if you like...)

But this was not to take place immediatly after July war,and out of nothing,off course.

Would HA have been defeated and wiped out,the US and Israel would have already encircled Syria...then,they would have been much better encouraged to attack Iran.

The defeat stopped the plan,i think,and most important,it showed that Lebanon is,at this stage, capable of repelling such plans (At least,that's what we think.But the more important thing here,is what the Israelis themselves think).

Anyway, knowing how Zionists and neocons think and operate,and knowing their tendancies not to mind throwing the US in any dangerous situation,be it a nuclear conflict IMO, as long as it serves Israel,they might just have delayed their actions,for a better timing...

And Georges Bush's latest speach and engagement to build a Jewish state is something that is of the utmost danger.10 years ago,such words would have already triggered wars on all fronts,and the indignation of the international community.But not anymore...which should sound the alarm.

As for the inside troubles...Israel will put the bombs...then punish the usual suspects...That's only the easy part.

And the medias will take care of many cover up of issues, which would ease up massive deportation...People will only begin to see what happenned after it is too late.

Israelis are already for transfer solutions,since all studies and statistics are showing that by aproximately 2040,Palestinian demography will reach 50% of the population...And the process cannot be reversed or delayed,especially that since the defeat of July 2006,Israel is recording exponential negative jewish migration.

Zionism is slowly but surely reaching its end.

And Israelis are convinced that the only solution left is ethnic purification.(They just like to call it transfer)

It's not a matter of "if" from now on...but a matter of "when"...And who would be the recipient.

Our duty is just to get ready for this eventuality.

But i would really love to hear those "Disarm HA now" dudes on that matter.

[Jorje]

This is hilarious...

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by elias-aj

Abou Sandal,

We have to be pragmatic with the issue of the palestinian refugees. Lebanon committed the mistakes before the 75' civil war when we :

- authorized so many palestinians to stay in Lebanon while we were not able to welcome them or at least, as many people ; as a result, palestinian civilians are not treated the way they deserve to be treated and we can't afford to improve their situation ;
- allowed the PLO to establish their fatah land ;
- allowed the PLO and the fedayin to fight their war against Israel from our territory and signed the Cairo Agreement.

Then, Lebanon was no more a real state. It was a shattered country during the civil war, then a divided country and eventually, an occupied land shared between Syria and Israel.

We were deprived of political decision and we're still deprived of any political decision due to our political division.

Do the US consider Lebanon as "a territory" ? They're totally right. "Freedom, independance and sovereignity" is an empty slogan for now.

As much as some want to resist the tawtin or even any attempt of transfer by the israelis, what could they do ?

Another war ? This will lead to another civil war and definitely destroy Lebanon.

The strongest way to resist is to build a real and strong lebanese state. Because with a real and strong lebanese state, the U.S., Israel and the western and arab countries will have a negotiating partner, talking on behalf of the lebanese people. Something that does not exist for now : now they talk to Hariri, to Berri, to Jumblatt etc.

Actually, who is bringing up the palestinian issue ? GMA and SHN. Do they represent Lebanon or only the christians and the shia communities in the eyes of the US and rival states ? This is the problem.

Once again, we have to focus on our most crucial issue, the reconstruction of the lebanese state, if we want to have a word to say.

Otherwise, may we like or not, we won't have a word to say regarding the palestinian refugees, our issues with Israel, our issues with Syria etc.

Anyway, we'll see how our politicians will handle the situation...

That's quite a fair resume and a fair assessement that i agree with Elias.

My problem is this:I really want to begin building a strong reliable state with my other fellow Lebanese citizens,because a strong reliable and just state by all and for all,is the only garantee for Lebanon to exist in the future.

But then,i still don't see that the other counterpart is really ready for this.It took 18 months to "convince" him of sharing power in times of crises.

Honestly,it's not about dialogue and convincing...Let's just face reality as it is,and deal with it accordingly.

[NewB]

Originally Posted by Jorje

This is hilarious...

thats what people said in 1948 :)