Israel: what is the REALISTIC solution?

[ArabJew]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

What I know from first hand experience with Jewish Zionists is that they're chickens. Your 'self-determination' term is hilarious. Yeah, pant-wetting self determination. And mind you, i'm not the only one who says Israel is going to perish, Jews say that too.

most jews support jewish self determination, and those that don't, have nothing in common with the 'resistance' and oppose it, it's on religious grounds.

Originally Posted by Dalzi

As for Lebanon, you need to say "B3od 3an lsharr w ghannillo" before you pronounce the name of the country that showed you how 'self-determined' jews can be.

Lebanon was more broken before the civil war than it is now ;). It's stronger than ever. Did you forget our famous MoU? As for the other little lambs who utter their 'maaaa2s' every now and then, they have nothing but voices which echo only in their own caves and we've decided to let them enjoy the sounds for the meantime.

It's not only funny, but also stupid, how Lebanon is given as an example when referring to co-habitation lol. Whoever hears you would think that Geagea never killed a Christian or that Lahd didn't recruit any Muslim. You're talking about the Lebanese people who are of the same blood, not "shuthath al 2afaq" which happen to be you Israelis.

I know that you're trying to comfort yourself by imagining that you can compare Lebanon to Israel, but I'd have to tell you that you're only making a fool of yourself. Lebanon is as old as the mountains, it will remain forever and as strong and proud. Israel, the 60 year old grannie, is destined to die before her age reaches three digits. Lebanon is stronger than you can ever imagine, if you don't believe me you are always welcome to test.

lebanon is an artificial country, as old as 1943, a gift from french colonials to maronites, some scribble on the map by the french colonials between their english counterparts. that's why it is unsurprising it collapsed into a civil war, never to truly rise from it. the concept of the sects living together simply doesn't work. lebanese have been very efficient and vigorous in one thing - killing off each other and spilling their own blood. even your 'holy resistance' couldn't change that equation.

i wouldn't be surprised if lebanon imploded, got absorbed by syria, got broken up by federalism or simply continue degrading into more and more failure.

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Whatever you do, you can never kill neither the resitance in Palestine nor the Palestinians. Why? Because we are not like you, our beliefs differ, and we're ready to die for our cause anytime. Therefore, the realistic solution is that you start packing.

and you haven't been ready to die in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and 1982. yep, that's the ticket. somehow israel got stronger all the time while arab countries kept sinking into backwardness.

P.S.

hate to break it to you, but we're more alike than you'll ever want to admit. we lived for thousands of years amongst you, until you backstabbed us, and now you want to finish the job. it won't happen.

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

Either a One State Solution which is very much preferable or a Two state Solution and BOTH have thier conditions. But the ISRAEL of today seems to refuse BOTH so it is in our intersets to Fight them until They do.

the israel of today is a freak show and detrimental to the interests of the jews themselves, it is only beneficial to the zionist fast-food business at the expense of everybody.

imagine having to deal with politicians of the caliber of the fab 14bazar bunch SINCE 1948 but also the zionist premium version.

man, these monsters took the jewish ppl by the genitals after the jews were attacked in europe in ww2 and then proceeded to abuse them themselves in this land, AGAIN. abusing this land and its ppl in the process.

they have a crooked class of politicians that is supported by their other friends in the media and the business world and the weapons industry.

sad thing is, the jewish ppl that support the state of israel don't see this crooked game at play. it's the same old 14 feb story all over again.

the crooks of israel just like the crooks of lebanon don't want to reach a just solution cuz it will stop them from milking the situation like they are doing now. Norman Finkelstein had a lot to say about how many jewish lobbies abuse the story of the holocaust and ultimately the survivors themselves just to make a buck. the same applies everywhere there.

Israel can be a completely different state these days and that would fix all our problems, instead it's 10 times worse than it was back in the 1960's let's say.

i stand by my point, after a war like that of 2006 a peace resolution could have been achievable if not for the intervention of other blood sucking vampires that kept the situation tense and i refer here directly to the positively $hitty role that most arab regimes played back then.

those regimes can't remain in power for 1 day if true peace came to this land.
they are as broke as the vast majority of political parties in israel.

so boom boom boom is all they got left to do now, pure criminal stupidity if u ask me.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by ArabJew

most jews support jewish self determination, and those that don't, have nothing in common with the 'resistance' and oppose it, it's on religious grounds.

lebanon is an artificial country, as old as 1943, a gift from french colonials to maronites, some scribble on the map by the french colonials between their english counterparts. that's why it is unsurprising it collapsed into a civil war, never to truly rise from it. the concept of the sects living together simply doesn't work. lebanese have been very efficient and vigorous in one thing - killing off each other and spilling their own blood. even your 'holy resistance' couldn't change that equation.

We've added someone else to the holy list . Lebanon is a people, not only land. The Land is Lebanon Syria and Palestine ;)

i wouldn't be surprised if lebanon imploded, got absorbed by syria, got broken up by federalism or simply continue degrading into more and more failure.

You wish We're going to occupy Israel.

and you haven't been ready to die in 1948, 1956, 1967, 1973 and 1982. yep, that's the ticket. somehow israel got stronger all the time while arab countries kept sinking into backwardness.

Aren't you an Arab?

History starts with 2006.

hate to break it to you, but we're more alike than you'll ever want to admit. we lived for thousands of years amongst you, until you backstabbed us, and now you want to finish the job. it won't happen.

Your backstabbing started long before Islam ;). You're very famous btw lol. And it's not a matter of childish 'will happen, won't happen'. There's a struggle onground, we will never give up. You either compromise or leave. And considering that you won't compromise, you'd have to leave.

P.S. George Michael is on TV

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by shadow1

This is the kind of problem that will go on for at least another hundred years. It's not only a human and a political problem but its religious dimension makes it nearly impossible to resolve.

Militarily speaking, the only way this is going to be resloved is by mutual annhiliation if and when the arabs get to build a nuclear weapon.

what will defeat Isreal in the long run is not a resistance here and another there but few other things:
1- Yehwa tricked the Israelis and promised them a land surrounded by people who will hate it until the end of time no matter what veneer of tolerance and acceptance they try to put on it and the hatred is mutual if for different reasons. How long could Israel exist knowing that which ever direction it looks it can only see anger and hatred. Have its peace treaties with arab countries chnaged the mind of the people in those countries? No and never. This in time will have an effect on the moral strngth of its people and foce them to migrate.

2-The arabs have a much more capacity at enduring misery than jews inspite of the latter long history of being persecuted. so they (the arabs) can put up with yet more decades of suffering while every killing Israel makes undermines it moral standing more and more even as it maintains its military superiority. In this department The world will live with many more decades of seeing Israeli army next to corpses of arab children but in the end even the world will begin to question its own values.

3- The demographic bomb ticking inside israel. In few decades the Arabs inside Israel will outnumber the jews or at least undermine the jewish character it tries to build for itself. Once the arabs get to make up 40% of the population that will begin the road to oblivion. This is more or less the sole factor that will destroy it.

4- Peace with Israel could bring its demise forward by at least 3 decades.

5- The role of the resistances is to keep up the rage flame burning in the hearts and souls of people and with a little bit of godly help the task isn't all that impossible.

How will it all end? Armageddon
My guess 2060 should be the beginning of the end

Forget about Nuclear weapons and Religion because i can show you Many Contradictions in thier books That Show Clearly that GOD did not promise anything.

the following was posted by me a veeeeerryyy Long time ago and i still belive it is the Solution while the rest is all GAMES and WASTING TIME.

"I deny the existence of Israel Exactly the same way I deny the existence of SAUDI ARABIA !

As far as States go, I am not in favor of a two state solution because I don’t believe in Jewish states, Islamic states, White or black states, I only believe in democratic States AND because Palestine/Israel is a very small piece of land (smaller than a park in south Africa) I think that they should have from the river of Jordan until you reach the Mediterranean ONE DEMOCRATIC STATE (not called Israel because that would invoke the past and the anger of many) Where all the Jews all the Muslims and all the Christians Live as equal citizens Before the LAW with one VOTE each AND that they all share ONE ARMY to defend their border THUS JUSTICE FOR ALL (call it whatever the heck you wanna call it Israstine or Palesael ….IT’S ONLY A NAME!!!).
Now if the Zionists will not accept the previous proposal (and they won’t), Then there will have to be a partition BUT HERE IS THE MINIMUM TERMS OF THE PARTITION (previously laid out by president Arafat WHO was isolated besieged and probably killed as the result, They hope that they got a puppet now who will sign for something less)

-The Palestinian state must be a contiguous state joining up WestBank and GAZA.
-Palestinian state must have an Arab border around it.
-Palestinian state must be cleared from all Zionist settlements and zionist military facilities.
-The international community through the UN must give a military guarantee that there won’t be any Israeli military presence on Palestinian lands.
-East Jerusalem must be the Capital of the Palestinian state (not some suburb that ur gonna wave a wand at and call it Jerusalem).
-Palestinian Flag must fly from the Holy Church where Jesus Christ was said to have died AND from the roof of the AL AKSA mosque.
-(here’s one you won’t like) ALL PALESTINIAN REFUGEES MUST BE GRANTED A SAFE RETURN TO THE LANDS THAT THEY WERE DRIVEN FROM BY MILITARY FORCE AND TERROR.

So take a pick, you can have one democratic secular state or the two states I would go with the first one OTHERWISE there will be an infinite war between US and YOU. (and do not ask me to clarify who the "us" and the "you" are because you know pretty well what I mean)

I personaly would prefer it if the jews joined with their muslim and Christian brothers in a war against the corrupt Zionist regime WE FIGHT TOGETHER WE BLEED TOGETHER AND IN THE END WE ALL LIVE TOGETHER IN THE LAND WHERE WE ALL SHALL BE BURIED."

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

I personaly would prefer it if the jews joined with their muslim and Christian brothers in a war against the corrupt Zionist regime WE FIGHT TOGETHER WE BLEED TOGETHER AND IN THE END WE ALL LIVE TOGETHER IN THE LAND WHERE WE ALL SHALL BE BURIED."

That's what it's all about TripolySunni. You didn't have to post that long post.

[ArabJew]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

We've added someone else to the holy list . Lebanon is a people, not only land. The Land is Lebanon Syria and Palestine ;)

historically and also currently, this land is also jewish, despite efforts to erase both our ancient and current history, by arabists and zionists alike - surprisingly.

Originally Posted by Dalzi

You wish We're going to occupy Israel.

good luck - you'll need plenty of it. we're out of vacancies for the season.

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Arent' you an Arab? Man nakara 2aslahu la 2asla lah. History starts with 2006.

i'm a thinking arab :) i know history started in 1948 :)

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Your backstabbing started long before Islam ;). You're very famous btw lol. And it's not a matter of childish 'will happen, won't happen'. There's a struggle onground, we will never give up. You either ocmpromise or leave. And considering that you wont' compromise, you'd have to leave.

we will never give up either - we can't. there's no where to pack to, even if we wanted, anyway. so unless you're going to throw us all into trucks and push us to iraq, or to the sea, we can't leave.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by ArabJew

historically and also currently, this land is also jewish, despite efforts to erase both our ancient and current history, by arabists and zionists alike - surprisingly.

Of course it's also Jewish, I didn't say it wasn't. Do you want KSA too?

good luck - you'll need plenty of it. we're out of vacancies for the season.

i'm a thinking arab :) i know history started in 1948 :)

زمن الهزائم ولى و بدأ زمن الإنتصارات

خيبر خيبر يا يهود جيش محمد سوف يعود I feel sorry for Jesus, he had to put up with much more than those after him. You've always been a pain in the neck.

we will never give up either - we can't. there's no where to pack to, even if we wanted, anyway. so unless you're going to throw us all into trucks and push us to iraq, or to the sea, we can't leave.

Go back to your countries. If you come from the holy land, then stay there, no one's telling you to leave. Live with the people as equals, that's all we want. But the name on the map is going to have to change.

[TripolySunni]

Originally Posted by ArabJew

historically and also currently, this land is also jewish, despite efforts to erase both our ancient and current history, by arabists and zionists alike - surprisingly.



good luck - you'll need plenty of it. we're out of vacancies for the season.



i'm a thinking arab :) i know history started in 1948 :)



we will never give up either - we can't. there's no where to pack to, even if we wanted, anyway. so unless you're going to throw us all into trucks and push us to iraq, or to the sea, we can't leave.

As for the Jews I believe that it was the right of the Jews to seek a safe haven and not be exterminated by those racist murderous Europeans and it was their right to seek self-determination BUT not at the expense of another people and not by policies of dis-possetion AND Israelis should understand that they will never become a normal nation unless they admit this and that the exiled Jews and Palestinians have to share the same fate.
History for me started in the 1920s and not 48 with the Western jewish moving into palestinian lands and Letters between many western politicians regarding the fate of the middle-east...ect.ect.ect...


As for the Jewsih Arab which is Scared of being thrown in the ocean or anywhere else I say YOU DON’T HAVE TO GO ANYWHERE WE WANT YOU TO STAY THERE. After all the most peaceful solution remains as the one state solution in this tiny piece of territory in which every person Jew, Muslim and Christian would live as equals with one vote each and would each have the same rights THAT IS THE MOST PEACEFUL SOLUTION BUT NOT THE ONLY ONE.

[shadow1]

Originally Posted by TripolySunni

So take a pick, you can have one democratic secular state or the two states I would go with the first one OTHERWISE there will be an infinite war between US and YOU. (and do not ask me to clarify who the "us" and the "you" are because you know pretty well what I mean)

A secular state in the way westerners define it will never be. As for you and us dont worry about the definition, I am not that naive to be at any delusions as to what everyone says and not say. I understand the mentality only too well.

[ArabJew]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Go back to your countries. If you come from the holy land, then stay there, no one's telling you to leave. Live with the people as equals, that's all we want. But the name on the map is going to have to change.

wait, lemme get this straight - first you make second-class citizens of us, use us as hostages and victims to your failures to destroy zionism, enforce numerus clausus upon us, kill us in random sprees, fire us for no reason from government positions, generally discriminate us and then kick us out, and now, when all of the sudden we fend for ourselves, you offer us to come back as equals, and expect us to take you seriously??? (something which, btw, most iraqis admit they can't provide)

no, wait, it's even better - as TripoliSunni said in another thread here - you expect us to FIGHT zionism!

but, granted, back then it was nationalistic/pan-arabist regimes... now we're talking about islamism... ah! dhimmitude! yes, i longe for dhimmitude, it has plenty to offer me. after all, lebanon is rushing towards dhimmitude for its christians, so maybe we should embrace that.