Israel: what is the REALISTIC solution?

[Mar1K]

Originally Posted by ArabJew

that's a good question. let's wait and see. israel's immigration rate is still positive, while for most other countries in the area it is negative. not to mention the various african jew groups such as the igbo and indian jew groups such as bnei menashe.

No problems at all, Lebanese have been immigrating since before the state of Lebanon was created. It's in our blood, but can you survive Immigration?

I doubt but time will tell...

[taifoon]

Originally Posted by loubnaniTo

PUT EMOTIONS ASIDE...

Lou, next time you want something from a devoted Lebanese, ask for its opposite

There is no way on earth Israel will ever be able to finish off ANY RESISTANCE to its barbaric conduct and actions, with less than wiping off entire populations. Savagery assumes the use of FORCE. Resistance is defined by the existence of force. The more force, the more resistance is produced, and these physics are always valid.

There's no way neither for THIS, our current, RESISTANCE, to finish off Israel. We're kind of too "alone and abandoned" against 98 percent of the world, on this one, including most Arab regimes. On matters where EMOTIONS are set aside, one would ask the ones who believe otherwise: How will you go about it in practical terms? How will Israel be wiped out or defeated? Shall that happen through a conventional war, where our forces will at some point overrun the enemies forces, and occupy its lands and cities? Or shall we bring the enemy down and into capitulation by consequently not letting him defeat us, war after war, decade after decade, until the enemy one day holds up hands and cries "Mercy, I can't beat you guys, so I quit"? Or shall the total victory come through a REAL wipe out, like through some huge weapon of mass destruction?.. Neither is probable in my opinion.

The way it's been working for sometime now, it seems Israel and the Resistance have managed well to live in physical, but akh so bloody, balance, for war after war. And until Israel stops acting arrogant, barbaric and warmongering force, this status quo will continue to prevail..

However arrogance, oppression and expansion hornings may cease to feed energy to the Israeli force, at some point in time. Israel might decide then that, for a change, it should seek smoother and more fair ways for its survival and prosperity. When this happens, there's a risk Resistance will interpret the situation as a sign of Israeli weakness, and the battle will rage on for some additional time inside the same to-no-use cycle of violence as above.. Or it might not- and someone on both sides will get a mandate to sit down and just talk with the others, no beatings anymore.

Thereafter, both sides will announce victory, and some sort of agreement.. But before this happens, a lot more acid rain and blood will have to fall down from the blackened skies.

[Allah wo Berri]

I Think the only way to defeat Israel is througth resistance... through out the past 60 years no other solution has showed a better way to face the Israel's. But resistance in its modern form , Like the Lebanese Resistance and the New Palestinian resistance represented by HAMAS and JIHAD. these are the resistances that can face israel and defeat it....

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by ArabJew

i voted 4. we'll never be able to kill off the resistance as an Idea, nor will the arab world be able to wipe off jewish self-determination as an idea. and since there's simply no viable peaceful solution to co-habitation (theoretically speaking, lebanon is the model. and that's why today's lebanon is a broken country after a civil war and completely jew-free. and already there are more lebanese christians abroad than in lebanon. nope, never going to work), nothing is going to change.

What I know from first hand experience with Jewish Zionists is that they're chickens. Your 'self-determination' term is hilarious. Yeah, pant-wetting self determination. And mind you, i'm not the only one who says Israel is going to perish, Jews say that too.

As for Lebanon, you need to say "B3od 3an lsharr w ghannillo" before you pronounce the name of the country that showed you how 'self-determined' jews can be.

Lebanon was more broken before the civil war than it is now ;). It's stronger than ever. Did you forget our famous MoU? As for the other little lambs who utter their 'maaaa2s' every now and then, they have nothing but voices which echo only in their own caves and we've decided to let them enjoy the sounds for the meantime.

It's not only funny, but also stupid, how Lebanon is given as an example when referring to co-habitation lol. Whoever hears you would think that Geagea never killed a Christian or that Lahd didn't recruit any Muslim. You're talking about the Lebanese people who are of the same blood, not "shuthath al 2afaq" which happen to be you Israelis.

I know that you're trying to comfort yourself by imagining that you can compare Lebanon to Israel, but I'd have to tell you that you're only making a fool of yourself. Lebanon is as old as the mountains, it will remain forever and as strong and proud. Israel, the 60 year old grannie, is destined to die before her age reaches three digits. Lebanon is stronger than you can ever imagine, if you don't believe me you are always welcome to test.

Whatever you do, you can never kill neither the resitance in Palestine nor the Palestinians. Why? Because we are not like you, our beliefs differ, and we're ready to die for our cause anytime. Therefore, the realistic solution is that you start packing.

[Venom]

The resistance could win battles but not eliminate Israel.
If the Israelis think that they have reached the point of their destruction by anyone , they will start using their nukes.

I think either they will reach to a compromise or Hamas are going to be severely hit this time not from Israel only but because of the treason by Egypt, Jordan, Saudi and other arab regimes.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Venom

The resistance could win battles but not eliminate Israel.
If the Israelis think that they have reached the point of their destruction by anyone , they will start using their nukes.

Can they nuke you when you are among them? ;)

لا تزال عصابة من أمّتي يقاتلون على أبواب المقدس وما حوله لا يضرهم خذلان من خذلهم ظاهرين على الحق إلى أن تقوم الساعة

النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم

[Red Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Dalzi

Can they nuke you when you are among them? ;)

if they have nothing to lose, ya :)

an then again, even if they did lose like that, the usa will nuke this region back into a cold stone age. so that's not the idea.

israel as a racist state will need to change from the inside out for any positive peace resolution to take place, not by any form of invasion.

israel's political goal is defeatable, but wiping her off the map by force is a genuinely bad idea.

[TripolySunni]

Either a One State Solution which is very much preferable or a Two state Solution and BOTH have thier conditions. But the ISRAEL of today seems to refuse BOTH so it is in our intersets to Fight them until They Accept one Solution With its Conditions.

[Dalzi]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

if they have nothing to lose, ya :)

Do they not have themselves to lose? ;)

then again, even if they did lose like that, the usa will nuke this region back into a cold stone age. so that's not the idea.

If you think that the struggle is going to be restricted to Middle East vs USA, think twice. There are many waiting for a chance to pounce. Nuclear power balance; no one can nuke anyone.

israel as a racist state will need to change from the inside out for any positive peace resolution to take place, not by any form of invasion.

israel's political goal is defeatable, but wiping her off the map by force is a genuinely bad idea.

They do not look at other humans as equals and this is something they are taught. You can never turn a criminal to a saint and that's why they will never change.

Wiping her off the map is what is going to happen. You can lay back and watch if you manage to make it out alive :P Besides, it's what we believe, and we know what we're talking about, so again, you can just watch.

[shadow1]

This is the kind of problem that will go on for at least another hundred years. It's not only a human and a political problem but its religious dimension makes it nearly impossible to resolve.

Militarily speaking, the only way this is going to be resloved is by mutual annhiliation if and when the arabs get to build a nuclear weapon.

what will defeat Isreal in the long run is not a resistance here and another there but few other things:
1- Yehwa tricked the Israelis and promised them a land surrounded by people who will hate it until the end of time no matter what veneer of tolerance and acceptance they try to put on it and the hatred is mutual if for different reasons. How long could Israel exist knowing that which ever direction it looks it can only see anger and hatred. Have its peace treaties with arab countries chnaged the mind of the people in those countries? No and never. This in time will have an effect on the moral strngth of its people and foce them to migrate.

2-The arabs have a much more capacity at enduring misery than jews inspite of the latter long history of being persecuted. so they (the arabs) can put up with yet more decades of suffering while every killing Israel makes undermines it moral standing more and more even as it maintains its military superiority. In this department The world will live with many more decades of seeing Israeli army next to corpses of arab children but in the end even the world will begin to question its own values.

3- The demographic bomb ticking inside israel. In few decades the Arabs inside Israel will outnumber the jews or at least undermine the jewish character it tries to build for itself. Once the arabs get to make up 40% of the population that will begin the road to oblivion. This is more or less the sole factor that will destroy it.

4- Peace with Israel could bring its demise forward by at least 3 decades.

5- The role of the resistances is to keep the rage flame burning in the hearts and souls of people and with a little bit of godly help the task isn't all that impossible.

How will it all end? Armageddon
My guess 2060 should be the beginning of the end