That is the right spirit, but do not commit the same mistake as the Israelis do and let the spirit run amok on reason.
Yes, you may be able to eliminate Israel. And No, not through war or force.
You can eliminate Israel through making FAIR PEACE with Israel. This is where you should aim and shoot.
Fair peace is all we ask for, "FAIR" peace :)
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The moment you start pushing the Israelis, if ever, into a corner where they find themselves into the same "defense" position as you are today, the roles will be switched. You yourself are a living example of how it works. The more aggressive Israel gets in trying to eliminate Hamas or Hizballah for that matter, the stronger those entities become..
When your survival is threatened, instinct kicks off and you'll "resist". A publically declared determination and will to exterminate the Israelis, makes them morally and physically stronger and more determined to Resist you. Heck, this is what they, cunningly and half-falsely, already use to fuel their assaulting aggression.
Wrong, very wrong. Zionits can never be HA or Hamas, and instead of making them stronger, I have made them weaker, weaker than you can ever imagine. Those people Taifoon are not what we are, their men cry and cling to life like a monkey holding onto a banana (it's gotta be instinct). You will never see one of them who is ready to use his body as a weapon, while we have the millions who would not hesitate. They are dealing with a fierce enemy, more fierce than anyone can imagine. You still have a lot to know about how an Israeli head functions. We know them all too well. They will run for their lives like chicken before a fox.
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Your name is Resistance, and the name defines already your power limits. Your powers are good enough to halt and neutralize Israel's aggression, maybe at some point completely eliminate it in favor for forcing FAIR PEACE on it; not really eliminate Israel itself as a country, neither now nor at least for few decades ahead. They have an army of 500-700.000 recruits, how many do we have? Their war machine is a thousand times ours, on many levels.. Look at the Syrians, they, if any, could fairly present themselves as a power match to the Israelis, still no one has yet heard them declare their will to exterminate Israel..
Who told you that when we talk of eliminating Israel, which is the only thing that would have to happen for fair peace to reign, we mean that little tiny us are going to do it? When we talk of eliminating Israel we do not talk HA or Hamas or Iran, we talk much more than that.
700,000 recruits you said? The millions of '2esteshhadiyin' are ready for those when time comes.
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Elimination rhetorics make therefore no sense, at least not when a nation like Iran has no direct borders with Israel, against which those elimination dreams/slogans/intentions could be banged and proved, and when we ourselves, are still in the Resisting business, and ages away from obtaining the numbers and tools needed for such a huge enterprise as of eliminating another well established entity, however unjust we deem its existence.
We will always be in the resisting business. We will never do anything other than resist. You will never see those who say they want to eliminate Israel initiating a war, but what do we do if or rather when Israel does? Resist of
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You can only eliminate Israel with FAIR PEACE, only, by getting back occupied lands, with an arrangement for the right of refugees to go back home -or elsewhere where there's space-, in exchange for embassies and a peace treaty. When this is done, no more is needed. Make sure no economical ties with Israelis are made and you can sit back and watch Israel wither slowly.
1- Israel won't accept a fair peace.
2- Occupied land is all Palestine.
3- Israel wants to kick the Palestinians out not take what was discplaced back.
4- Returning to other than their homes is not an option. Just imagine the Israelis taking your area in Lebanon and telling you that you can never return but rather go live in China instead. I'm sure you wouldn't like it.
5- We can't rely on the 'economy' to rid mankind of oppression because we do not have that power and we will never have that power the Arab BS peace way. The only way to gain such miraculous ability is to be in control.
Let's be realistic regarding the options we have.
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You might ask: And what if Israel rejects even that? a Fair Peace? Indeed, we'll be at the same spot as we are today; and if Israel's screaming need for military superiority over the region is one of the air components it breathes, we'll keep making sure that air is constantly polluted. We make sure we're always ready for Israeli warfare as we should for peace. Because at some point, the regular Israeli citizen will finally question the futility of living in an escalating state of fear and war, especially when those fears are daily stirred by frequent reports about the strong possibility that "the enemy" might soon stand ready with own nuclear bomb..
That is exactly what we will do and what we are doing. But that will have to end one day and it wouldn't be us who will end it. Israel is going to rage wars on all those who do not accept with its humiliating conditions. We of course have voiced that we can never accept humiliation, and that is something Israel doesn't like. Israel WILL initiate harm and only then will it see wonders.
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You see, If Iran gets a nuclear bomb, the middle east will get peace sooner than your black eye blink, 7adret sittna Dalzi.
Iran has not hesitated to say that Israel will perish. And nuclear weapons in the hands of two enemies are an assurance that the world will still exist for a few years after the regional war that happens to be knocking on doors.
i know this doesn't sound realistic, but justice will eventually prevail. the state of israel was founded through terrorizing innocent defenceless people, and now, after 60 years of wars in which israel has used the most horrifying weapons, the resistance is stronger than ever. with every palestinian casualty the sprirt of resistanse is becoming stronger.
كلنا مشروع شهادة
Yes, even I. When there's a choice between humiliation and dignity, we have to give up on shoes and bags to face reality. Everything becomes meaningless if you do not have the life you deserve to have. Therefore, we will fight for it even if it meant sacrificing all in the way. Life with no dignity is no life at all and if you can't have it, then work for it so that those after you live the glory you created with the greatest of sacrifices; blood.
Yes, even I. When there's a choice between humiliation and dignity, we have to give up on shoes and bags to face reality. Everything becomes meaningless if you do not have the life you deserve to have. Therefore, we will fight for it even if it meant sacrificing all in the way. Life with no dignity is no life at all and if you can't have it, then work for it so that those after you live the glory you created with the greatest of sacrifices; blood.
Dalzi, are you palestinian ?
Because, as far as I am concerned, in lebanon we got back our dignity in 2000, thanks to HA
So I don't understant why we need to stay مشروع شهادة forever, or until the destruction of israel, whichever comes first :)
I don't think the farms deseve a single drop of lebaneese blood, whatever the religion
and dont tell me it is not my problems if some nuts are willing to sacrifices themselves, because we need to start building our economy, and the actions of these nuts is taking us back years every time they attack israel, and israel strikes backs
I agree with you when you say:
<Everything becomes meaningless if you do not have the life you deserve to have>
We deserve to live in peace and work to rebuild our economy
Some of you may think differently and say the farms have higher priority
the question is, who should set these priorities ? the next election ?
BTW, how can I create a poll ??? as i would like to find how FPMers think about this issue.
I am not talking about HA arms or defensive strategy
I am asking if you think HA should go on the offensive to try to get back the farms, at the risk of israel striking our economy, or if you think the farms can wait until a political regional solution is found.
Dalzi, are you palestinian ?
Because, as far as I am concerned, in lebanon we got back our dignity in 2000, thanks to HA
So I don't understant why we need to stay مشروع شهادة forever, or until the destruction of israel, whichever comes first :)
I don't think the farms deseve a single drop of lebaneese blood, whatever the religion
and dont tell me it is not my problems if some nuts are willing to sacrifices themselves, because we need to start building our economy, and the actions of these nuts is taking us back years every time they attack israel, and israel strikes backs
I agree with you when you say:
<Everything becomes meaningless if you do not have the life you deserve to have>
We deserve to live in peace and work to rebuild our economy
Some of you may think differently and say the farms have higher priority
the question is, who should set these priorities ? the next election ?
BTW, how can I create a poll ??? as i would like to find how FPMers think about this issue.
I am not talking about HA arms or defensive strategy
I am asking if you think HA should go on the offensive to try to get back the farms, at the risk of israel striking our economy, or if you think the farms can wait until a political regional solution is found.
No, I'm not Palestinian.
Mashrou3 shahada when we are targeted, not to go and jump at people. I'm no spokesperson for HA and I'm not talking about HA. I'm talking about myself and what we as people believe.
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I don't think the farms deseve a single drop of lebaneese blood, whatever the religion.
I bet you said the same of the south. And you have no shame saying that . This goes to show that one should always rely on himself and never trust another Lebanese even if he happens to be a father. You say that just because you do not belong to Shebaa, but unlike you there are others who do. It is the duty of every Lebanese to free every single drop of soil, wallah bas shatreen tmajkhoulna b'bachir w tradiddo shi3arato lfergha. Pathetic indeed.
The war with Israel is not something we will decide. If Israel launches war on us, we will defend ourselves. Israel will launch war on us, we will fight and win. That's the answer to your question. WE DO NOT INITIATE. It's against our religious beliefs to say the least.
And don't come to me with the funny 'live in peace and build our economy' chants. As if you're more human than I am. That is what every human aspires for. You want to build your life leaving Shebaa like you wanted to do with the south? Go bring your 3antar back from the grave so that he can take back what he gave, otherwise sit in a corner and let those who have arms and legs do your job for you.
I'm actually very surprised at the numbers of those who have voted what i voted. External war matters are a Lebanese decision, not something HA decides on. But when it comes to my land and my own business, everyone can budge off.
Mashrou3 shahada when we are targeted, not to go and jump at people. I'm no spokesperson for HA and I'm not talking about HA. I'm talking about myself and what we as people believe.
I bet you said the same of the south. And you have no shame saying that . This goes to show that one should always rely on himself and never trust another Lebanese even if he happens to be a father. You say that just because you do not belong to Shebaa, but unlike you there are others who do. It is the duty of every Lebanese to free every single drop of soil, wallah bas shatreen tmajkhoulna b'bachir w tradiddo shi3arato lfergha. Pathetic indeed.
The war with Israel is not something we will decide. If Israel launches war on us, we will defend ourselves. Israel will launch war on us, we will fight and win. That's the answer to your question. WE DO NOT INITIATE. It's against our religious beliefs to say the least.
And don't come to me with the funny 'live in peace and build our economy' chants. As if you're more human than I am. That is what every human aspires for. You want to build your life leaving Shebaa like you wanted to do with the south? Go bring your 3antar back from the grave so that he can take back what he gave, otherwise sit in a corner and let those who have arms and legs do your job for you.
I'm actually very surprised at the numbers of those who have voted what i voted. External war matters are a Lebanese decision, not something HA decides on. But when it comes to my land and my own business, everyone can budge off.
You cannot assume what i was saying about the south because you just dont know
that is your problem guys, you assume things so you can label be as 3amil
as for comparing the farms to the south ? []
is there a single lebaneese under occupation in the farms ?
or, how many lebaneese are displaced from the farms because of the occupation?
how many lebaneese were living in the farms before the occupation ?
By comparing the farms to the south, you are not doing your cause any good. But then, it seems we can never have the same values and scales to measur the values.
You cannot assume what i was saying about the south because you just dont know
that is your problem guys, you assume things so you can label be as 3amil
as for comparing the farms to the south ? []
is there a single lebaneese under occupation in the farms ?
or, how many lebaneese are displaced from the farms because of the occupation?
how many lebaneese were living in the farms before the occupation ?
By comparing the farms to the south, you are not doing your cause any good. But then, it seems we can never have the same values and scales to measur the values.
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When you ask about the population in the Farms before and after, you sound like this is the Criteria Nations should base upon in valuating their National Sovereignty, not to mention the economical and Strategic consequences of your immature Criteria.
For your Info, Shebaa Farms and the Golan Hights provide The Jewish State of Israel 22% of their National Fresh Water,, Have you considered this fact in your "great" assessment, Have you considered the national Security Stratigic importance of the Farms befor you jumped into offering gifts "Free of Charge" to our Enemy Israel?
Have you considered the conclusion of your queries before you presented them... Does that mean that any piece of Land Void of population is of No value Nationaly?
If so please provide us with more of your Great Philosophy, maybe we will learn how to be Independant, Free and Sovereign.
If Not, then what do you mean by your Comparison..??
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When you ask about the population in the Farms before and after, you sound like this is the Criteria Nations should base upon in valuating their National Sovereignty, not to mention the economical and Strategic consequences of your immature Criteria.
For your Info, Shebaa Farms and the Golan Hights provide The Jewish State of Israel 22% of their National Fresh Water,, Have you considered this fact in your "great" assessment, Have you considered the national Security Stratigic importance of the Farms befor you jumped into offering gifts "Free of Charge" to our Enemy Israel?
Have you considered the conclusion of your queries before you presented them... Does that mean that any piece of Land Void of population is of No value Nationaly?
If so please provide us with more of your Great Philosophy, maybe we will learn how to be Independant, Free and Sovereign.
If Not, then what do you mean by your Comparison..??
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First of all, i was responding to your freind who was comparing the farms to the south, seems you agree with him, I don't, and i gave the rasons.
Anyway, you say "Shebaa Farms and the Golan Hights provide The Jewish State of Israel 22% of their National Fresh Water", You want to also liberate the Golan ? or you think syria will give us the golan? otherwise, please give the number for the farm alone.
Me and prince alwaleed have 20B$ :)
Seriously, is Tabaria in Sheb3a ? or is there a big river in sheb3a ?
As to my philosophy: until we need this water, if any is in sheb3a, (as it seems we can give free water to cyprus :), the farms are not worth a single drop of lebaneese blood, much less another war that will finish our economy. Especialy when we don't even know what part of the farms is ours, and which is syrian.
Ok so i have read this forum for a long time,and this is first time I am posting.When you say Israel has to be wiped off the map how exactly.I know someone else asked that question but I dont think anyone gave a straight forward answer.Will it be a nuclear attack ,will the armies of the islamic world conquer the whole territory.Now there is something close to six million Jews in Israel do you what to see the deaths of all Six million in this final confrontation or would you be happy with just a million of two.And i have noticed something else you all seem to be very dismissive about the Israeli nuclear weapons but even Jimmy Carter who is not the the biggest supporter of Israel has said they have at least 150,and Jacques Chirac also said that it would be suicide for the Iranians to nuke Tel Aviv because 30 seconds later Tehran would share the same fate.[]
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. This goes to show that one should always rely on himself and never trust another Lebanese even if he happens to be a father. You say that just because you do not belong to Shebaa, but unlike you there are others who do. It is the duty of every Lebanese to free every single drop of soil, wallah bas shatreen tmajkhoulna b'bachir w tradiddo shi3arato lfergha. Pathetic indeed. 
