The Iranian Diplomats - What is Geagea Afraid Of?

[Abou Sandal]

Why is it so hard for LFers to tell where they dumped the bodies of the murdered diplomats?

It's ok,we know that you murdered them,just give us the place where you dumped their bodies, so we can give them back to their families.

Why won't you just do that,and no one is asking you for anything else.

Is it so hard?

Why?

[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by The Jade

I can't believe a thread like this is opened in the Tayyar forum.

Now we're using the iranian diplomats to attack Geagea ?

The guy can be attacked and criticized in so many other ways that I can't even see why some in the forum are digging so low ?

Who cares about the Iranian diplomats ??

Why is this an attack on Geagea? The question was posed several times. Please read the thread again. But here it is for your reference:

Why did Geagea consider the inquiry about the Diplomats to be an election ploy against intended to help FPM, when a harassing of Geagea by HA is more likely to heklp him? I am trying to understand the connection. The only logical thing I can think of is that if he identifies their location, he would have to risk exposing a mass grave. Any other possibilities or scenario of why this move by HA is an election ploy?

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by The Jade

I can't believe a thread like this is opened in the Tayyar forum.

Now we're using the iranian diplomats to attack Geagea ?

The guy can be attacked and criticized in so many other ways that I can't even see why some in the forum are digging so low ?

Who cares about the Iranian diplomats ??

"There was something called the FPM one day and these ideas surely don't embody its principles.
Khalas paranoia, wake up, you're making fools out of yourselves, bi charafkoun we're getting tired of this.

The only people destroying FPM's image are people like you. Be the bigger person and take the high road!! These were FPM's principles back then and they should be once more"

source

is there anything we ever do that manages to please you?
'A man who knows the price of everything, but the value of nothing.' that was oscar wilde's description of the cynic.

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by Ra3ed

Who here cares about Iranian (or other nationalities) diplomats?

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

"There was something called the FPM one day and these ideas surely don't embody its principles.
Khalas paranoia, wake up, you're making fools out of yourselves, bi charafkoun we're getting tired of this.

The only people destroying FPM's image are people like you. Be the bigger person and take the high road!! These were FPM's principles back then and they should be once more"

source

Euh,
are you guys supporting my point that we shouldn't care about these diplomats ?

Unless you're trying to show that I'm contradicting myslef somewhere

In my former thread I said that we shouldn't care about the iranian diplomats and I'm saying the same thing here.....

[Dark Angel]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Euh,
are you guys supporting my point that we shouldn't care about these diplomats ?

Unless you're trying to show that I'm contradicting myslef somewhere

no we're not. it is just like nothing pleases you anymore. why this and why that. you really dont see the human value behind bringing closure to this issue? and for your info, the respect of human rights is on FPM's charter, it doesn't say in fine print "applicable to Lebanese humans only"

there are 4 human beings missing, regardless of their nationality, their families deserve to know; and there is one man who can shed plenty of light on the subject, but he's not willing to fully cooperate, except in the media.the government, LF and HA should form a common committee and officially share the details they have in their possession. as to samir geagea himself, 4 people are very insignificant relatively to the huge numbers of people he decimated.

the problem here isn't samir, it is you. if the thread was closed you would be like "i cant believe tayyar is violating freedom of speech" if the thread was approved "i cant believe this thread was open on tayyar forum"

you can comment on the subject as much as you want without involving FPM.

[Ra3ed]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Euh,
are you guys supporting my point that we shouldn't care about these diplomats ?

Unless you're trying to show that I'm contradicting myslef somewhere

In my former thread I said that we shouldn't care about the iranian diplomats and I'm saying the same thing here.....

We try as much as we can to give everyone the chance to give his/her opinion, you had the chance to give yours in your thread and needfortruth got the same chance . In your thread the idea and opinion of who cares about the 4 diplomats was discussed and now an another idea is discussed ...

The Jade's case is closed !(rule#18)

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by Dark Angel

no we're not. it is just like nothing pleases you anymore. why this and why that. you really dont see the human value behind bringing closure to this issue? and for your info, the respect of human rights is on FPM's charter, it doesn't say in fine print "applicable to Lebanese humans only"

there are 4 human beings missing, regardless of their nationality, their families deserve to know; and there is one man who can shed plenty of light on the subject, but he's not willing to fully cooperate, except in the media.the government, LF and HA should form a common committee and officially share the details they have in their possession. as to samir geagea himself, 4 people are very insignificant relatively to the huge numbers of people he decimated.

the problem here isn't samir, it is you. if the thread was closed you would be like "i cant believe tayyar is violating freedom of speech" if the thread was approved "i cant believe this thread was open on tayyar forum"

you can comment on the subject as much as you want without involving FPM.

On the humanitarian point of view, you're right, as human beings we should care.

But on the pragmatic/strategical one, I don't see why we should open such debates here.

We're losing time and effort on this forum to criticize and attack people like Samir Geagea, Saad Hariri or Joumblatt using weak and useless arguments like this thread instead of having a more scientifical approach on why these guys shouldn't make it to the parliament.

Instead of pointing out their contradictions, their failed policies, their bad economical plans etc, we're getting the iranian diplomats in it, with no real gain.

[joseph_lubnan]

Why harp on the Iranian issue alone. Let your humanitarian zeal show. you should call for an investigation and accountability regarding every foreign diplomat, citizen or soldier that was killed or kidnapped in Lebanon or abroad, with a suspected Lebanese group's involvement. I do not have a complete list, but I seem to remember a lot of kidnappings and killings during the war of western subjects, and a reprehensible mass murder of the marines in the 80s... FPMers need to open threads and discuss for the humanitarian burden is unbearable.

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by The Jade

On the humanitarian point of view, you're right, as human beings we should care.

No offense,but you're a hypocrite sir.

SHN said that he is asking for information,not because he wanted to blame this or that,but just because there is a humanitarian issue that needs to be resolved.

In reaction to that,you decided to politicize the debate,and opened a thread saying that we should not care about those Iranians.

And when Samir Geagea,instead of simply cooperating to resolve this humanitarian issue,also himself,politicized the debate,decided to take it on to the political arena and transform this humanitarian issue,into an electoral pissing context...You approved every single step of it.

And now,when we decided to answer back to Geagea and analyze his stupid reaction,you come here and say:'We are losing time in politicizing the debate..."

The way i see it:

You are free to politicize debate about a humanitarian issue,but if we decide to discuss your POV,we get low in level,and you accuse us of politicizing it.

Hypocrisy at its best.

[Ra3ed]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Why harp on the Iranian issue alone. Let your humanitarian zeal show. you should call for an investigation and accountability regarding every foreign diplomat, citizen or soldier that was killed or kidnapped in Lebanon or abroad, with a suspected Lebanese group's involvement. I do not have a complete list, but I seem to remember a lot of kidnappings and killings during the war of western subjects, and a reprehensible mass murder of the marines in the 80s... FPMers need to open threads and discuss for the humanitarian burden is unbearable.

lebanese tend mostly to discuss things that are "up to date" , eza ma7soubak Sa3ed opened tomorrow or today the files or the issue of any of those you mentioned, noone will stop you from opening and discussing those issues here. If you wish you can open the issue by yourself , shou Sa3ed a7san mennak ... go ahead , but beaware The jade will appear and say : "who cares" ....

Humaniterian issues was and still an improtant point for FPM and FPMer... FPM and FPMer through the last years were and still on the head of these issues, proud that we were not part of those who were kidnapping , la 3al hawiyyeh w la 3al jensiyyeh ... w la 3a lon el sha3er