The Iranian Diplomats - What is Geagea Afraid Of?

[Illuminatus]

Originally Posted by ecce homo

If I consider that all of those are truly Hezbollah work, how many of those are diplomats killed under Hassan Nasrallah rule of Hezbollah?

Takhanta :) then if really Hobeika killed the diplomats, then LF today is innocent and free of charge?

[ecce homo]

Originally Posted by Illuminatus

Takhanta :) then if really Hobeika killed the diplomats, then LF today is innocent and free of charge?

Why is Geagea itchy about the subject?

[Illuminatus]

Originally Posted by ecce homo

Why is Geagea itchy about the subject?

You are asking me as if i am his close advisor, but i would guess because war files are like a masbaha, eza karrit habbe ... rab rabbak ma bi wa'fa ;)

And maybe Geagea is worried that M8 will use this tactic against LF in the elections, opening the war crimes files etc...

[ElieCedar]

Originally Posted by ecce homo

Why is Geagea itchy about the subject?

Geagea is the current head of the LF. He protects its past, present, and Future. This has nothing to do with being "itchy"!! it has to do with the relentless focus on crimes allegedly committed by the LF, or certain members claiming to be LF, yet we got another organization which blew up embassies, caused death and destructions to thousands of people, set-up their own security state and did "some" of the bidding and assassination on behalf of the Syrians, and theyare asking us about the whereabout of Four Iranian Diplomats!! ask the Iranians how many Iranian citizens and Human Rights activists went missing courtesy of the Iranian Islamist Revolution?? 4, 400, or 4000??? Now, that's an Itchy subject!!!
Elie

[needfortruth]

The answers seem to ‘beat around the bush’. How plausible is the SPECULATION that if Geagea exposes the location of the Iranian Diplomats, he would have to expose a mass grave in the process, and that’s why Geagea got defensive and considered it an election ploy by HA even though a HA lead harassing of Geagea is more likely to help Geagea among some Christian voters?

On the other hand, why not open all the war files? The only objection to this move is simply all the warlords agree to keep the war crimes buried basically protecting themselves, and only themselves and no one else, since the true victims of the war crimes are the lebanese people not the leaders, then the same warlords turn around and impose themselves as leaders again and again.

Let's hear it all and decide who should be voted for, if ever, whether on Syria's allies side or Saudi's allies side or FPM.

[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

Geagea is the current head of the LF. He protects its past, present, and Future. This has nothing to do with being "itchy"!! it has to do with the relentless focus on crimes allegedly committed by the LF, or certain members claiming to be LF, yet we got another organization which blew up embassies, caused death and destructions to thousands of people, set-up their own security state and did "some" of the bidding and assassination on behalf of the Syrians, and theyare asking us about the whereabout of Four Iranian Diplomats!! ask the Iranians how many Iranian citizens and Human Rights activists went missing courtesy of the Iranian Islamist Revolution?? 4, 400, or 4000??? Now, that's an Itchy subject!!!
Elie

Shouldn't Geagea ally with HA since according to your logic both have the common cause of protecting themselves against their history riddled with war crimes?

And what is this logic of always pointing out the finger at others when Geagea’s crimes are mentioned? That is the logic of a 10 year old ‘criminal’. So the Christians have to accept a murderer’s leadership because others also committed crimes? What a Geageai logic!!

[ElieCedar]

Originally Posted by needfortruth

Shouldn't Geagea ally with HA since according to your logic both have the common cause of protecting themselves against their history riddled with war crimes?

And what is this logic of always pointing out the finger at others when Geagea’s crimes are mentioned? That is the logic of a 10 year old ‘criminal’. So the Christians have to accept a murderer’s leadership because others also committed crimes? What a Geageai logic!!

YA Needfortruth ... you still don't get the story and my message!! this particular cirme has nothing to do with Samir Geagea. He wasn't in command of the LF back then. He was a high ranking officer in the LF. But it's his duty like any other party loyal leader to protect his party's past and defend it.

So if you want to start digging Mass graves, you will find out that all parties are guilty. Go back to the onset of the civil war and tell me how many Christian villages in the Bekaa and Akkar regions were emptied and destoyed. This all happen before the LF was founded!! so do you want to seek the truth or you just want to focus on Samir Geagea because he opposed GMA's policies (or lack of) in the late 80s??
Rgrds,
Elie

[The Jade]

I can't believe a thread like this is opened in the Tayyar forum.

Now we're using the iranian diplomats to attack Geagea ?

The guy can be attacked and criticized in so many other ways that I can't even see why some in the forum are digging so low ?

Who cares about the Iranian diplomats ??

[Ra3ed]

Originally Posted by The Jade

I can't believe a thread like this is opened in the Tayyar forum.

Now we're using the iranian diplomats to attack Geagea ?

The guy can be attacked and criticized in so many other ways that I can't even see why some in the forum are digging so low ?

Who cares about the Iranian diplomats ??

Originally Posted by The Jade

I know I'm gonna be attacked from a lot of people even before they've read the post but here it goes:

When Hezbollah were talking about freeing lebanese prisoners from Israeli jails, a lot of people supported them including me.

Yesterday Nasrallah asked for information on Iranian diplomats and linked it to our current situation with Israel.

Now, I'd like to know...... What the hell do we care about Iranian, syrian or french diplomats who've been kidnapped 20 years ago somewhere in Lebanon???

He also talked about palestinian prisoners and palestinian remains held by the Israeli government....

So again why should we fight their fight ?
What's in it for us ??

As for the lebanese prisoners (and missing in Syria)..... What about them?

Chou henné ----- ---- ?

I support Nasrallah in a lot of his decisions, but sometimes he loses credibility when he goes around asking in the strongest of words the lebanese government to take care of issues such as the Iranian diplomats and the palestinian prisoners, but when it's about Lebanese in Syria, he never points fingers and never stresses on the point that much....

Hezbollah better change their attitude about this and quick before they start losing support in a lot of ranks

Who here cares about Iranian (or other nationalities) diplomats?

[needfortruth]

YA Needfortruth ... you still don't get the story and my message!! this particular cirme has nothing to do with Samir Geagea. He wasn't in command of the LF back then. He was a high ranking officer in the LF. But it's his duty like any other party loyal leader to protect his party's past and defend it.

So according to this, HA today has nothing to do with the wrong doings that you are accusing him of. As for his weapons and current situation, HA has been legitimized by the previous Lebanese government that Geageais were part of and the 'Itifa2 el Rouba3i' and the current government today that Geageais are also a part of.

So if you want to start digging Mass graves, you will find out that all parties are guilty. Go back to the onset of the civil war and tell me how many Christian villages in the Bekaa and Akkar regions were emptied and destoyed. This all happen before the LF was founded!! so do you want to seek the truth or you just want to focus on Samir Geagea because he opposed GMA's policies (or lack of) in the late 80s??
Rgrds,
Elie

I am with digging all of it and leaving nothing left. I personally as most of the average Lebanese have nothing to worry about. Anyone who committed war crime should be prosecuted, and if someone I support politically today is proven guilty, I have no problem taking away my support from them. So why not open all these files? Why not?

The biggest mistake is to let all the warlords roam free after all they have done to people, and worse, is simply allow them to forgive each other, forgive themselves as if all that happened was simply business that had to be done. What these people have done is war crimes. And no one I know considers war crimes to be forgivable.

If focusing on Geagea is bothering you, I again am with digging all the 'graves'. But every time we mention Geagea, we don't have to consider all the crimes first so we can discuss his crimes.

In my opinion what makes Geagea worse than others is that most of his crimes after taking over the Lebanese Forces were against other Christians. As Christian I take issue with him more than I would with an enemy.