Hezbollah & Hariri honeymoon

[IA64]

Originally Posted by Ana3arabi!

if this is true, then it meas u are going against the wishes of the people you now claim to represent (Christians). so since u are talking about the wish to win in next elections & since change & reform cannot be without a majority in parliament, i would expect that it would have to be u to break away from us, not the other way around. what are u waiting for? it seems you just admitted that it was FPM's supporters that were not ready for partnership with a huge portion of the Lebanese population that has been marginalized since the Lebanese independence.

BINGO!

Actually think about it... Even the [] Sunna are not feeling secure about HA weapons, What are you expecting from Christians ?

[Ana3arabi!]

Originally Posted by Diabolo_7

I think you didn't get my message.

My message was: had we cared about our popularity vs doing what is right, the support for FPM would have been much different

Cheers

i got your point. i was raising another point based on your point though. if u are admitting u lost popularity as a result, then u are admitting that ur ex-support base was not accepting of attempts at bridging the divide with a big portion of the population that they have always thought (yes they have thought that) as inferior to them (us Shi3a). so how do u propose to win and bring change and reform to Lebanon if u are losing their support and not really trusting us either ???? u have to pick sides sooner or later, if u really want change & reform, that is..

[Diabolo_7]

Originally Posted by Ana3arabi!

i got your point. i was raising another point based on your point though. if u are admitting u lost popularity as a result, then u are admitting that ur ex-support base was not accepting of attempts at bridging the divide with a big portion of the population that they have always thought (yes they have thought that) as inferior to them (us Shi3a). so how do u propose to win and bring change and reform to Lebanon if u are losing their support and not really trusting us either ???? u have to pick sides sooner or later, if u really want change & reform, that is..

It is not just about taking sides, because we have already chosen our side...

my idea of bringing those people closer wont be music to your ears though.

In order to bring back the independents, FPM needs to hold HA accountable.

[Ana3arabi!]

Originally Posted by latinorange

come on...don't be so harsh!!! FPM lost part of the christian street because of this alliance with HA, but we need to see also the benefits of that...i assure you if FPM choses to respect HA's weapons but it in the next elections FPM runs against HA in some districts we will see an interesting shift of shiite votes to FPM..contrary to what is widely thought, a very big part of shiites are quite open minded and liberal and the effect of GMA in the shiite street has been huge...isn't that a huge step in the abolition of sectarian elections??????

if i were u , i would not be so sure about your expected outcome of elections if u face off against us at the ballot box. fact is, we have a lot of respect for GMA and FPM, and there is a fundamental overlap between our ideologies (non-corruption, resistance, etc.), but if u officially adopt a position that reeks of distrust , such as we are seeing here, or if ur support base keeps saying bad things about our character as backstabbers, then u will lose us, and not win anyone else, and u will become irrelveant. i say this as a friendly advice bcz i really like FPM and i consider GMA to be my leader same as I consider Sayyed Nasrallah to be my leader.

[Ana3arabi!]

Originally Posted by Diabolo_7

In order to bring back the independents, FPM needs to hold HA accountable.

u hold someone accountable for something he has done, not for something he has not done or "may do in the future." what have we done that needs to be held to account ?? if there is anything, then fine, bring it up . i really don't get what it is that we must be held accountable on. maybe now is the time for u to enumerate them. i am very curious about it.

[Diabolo_7]

Originally Posted by Ana3arabi!

u hold someone accountable for something he has done, not for something he has not done or "may do in the future." what have we done that needs to be held to account ?? if there is anything, then fine, bring it up . i really don't get what it is that we must be held accountable on. maybe now is the time for u to enumerate them. i am very curious about it.

There are numerous things that happened in the past 3 years that FPM failed (or decided to overlook) to hold HA accountable for that ended up hurting FPM's chances in the elections (the Sojod incident for example)... add to that FPM's own PR blunders (Aoun saying that FPM has no prisoners in Syria, which they translated into: Aoun denying the existence of prisoners)...

[latinorange]

Originally Posted by Ana3arabi!

if i were u , i would not be so sure about your expected outcome of elections if u face off against us at the ballot box. fact is, we have a lot of respect for GMA and FPM, and there is a fundamental overlap between our ideologies (non-corruption, resistance, etc.), but if u officially adopt a position that reeks of distrust , such as we are seeing here, or if ur support base keeps saying bad things about our character as backstabbers, then u will lose us, and not win anyone else, and u will become irrelveant. i say this as a friendly advice bcz i really like FPM and i consider GMA to be my leader same as I consider Sayyed Nasrallah to be my leader.

dont' get me wrong...the relation between HA and FPM must continue to be as strong as it is today in my opinion...only a few adjustments need to be made...in the end HA is a guarantee for all Christians although some might have been fooled...and i believe it is the duty of every single FPM christian to work to strengthen this alliance. However, HA, despite mending its relation with Hariri, must remember who stood by them and who made sacrifices for them...HA must consider FPM before making certain moves or statements which could be used to score points by others...and of course HA must consider that FPM, despite supporting the model of HA as a resistance, can be negativelly affected by some actions which may lead to misunderstandings and a weakening of FPM's public image...examples are Sayyed Hassan's speech about 7 may...

also, it is a fact that HA might not be so eager to win an election...but FPM needs that...well, maybe we should work in new formulas which could benefit both parties...

to wrap things up i believe HA and FPM must continue to understand each other for the sake of shiites, christians and lebanon...but maybe a better coordination would make things easier...as well as a wider long term vision...aren't we after all the backbone of the opposition?

REFORM + RESISTANCE sounds good to me...but people need to understand the message...

[Qwiw]

Originally Posted by agnostic

Can anyone contest the following:

1. The result of the elections where Aoun couldn't get 35 deputies led to more marginalization of lebanese maronites.

2. this result was decided by the majority of Maronites.

3. during the partial election of maten (election of Camille Khoury) FPM was soconfident that they only won by few hundred votes. in the last elections, FPM did nothing to correct the mistakes.

1. if Zahle hadn't changed its demography, Aoun could get 35 deputies.

2. Kesrouan is THE Maronite caza by excellence. 5-0 for tayyar, despite the batrak and president games, and the money/emigrates.

3. In Metn, FPM won this time without Murr... unless you consider Abou Elias zero.

I don't say our results are good but please, there is explanation for many things and FPM should now work to rightly prepare the next legislative elections. There are so many points to correct.

[Robin Hood]

Why the paranoia? HA are NOT backstabbers, even if they enter into an understanding with Hariri, do you really think they will leave you. That is against their principles and will hardly affect there credibility, even in the Shia street. We all like GMA, he's patriotic and clean.

[Robin Hood]

Originally Posted by latinorange

dont' get me wrong...the relation between HA and FPM must continue to be as strong as it is today in my opinion...only a few adjustments need to be made...in the end HA is a guarantee for all Christians although some might have been fooled...and i believe it is the duty of every single FPM christian to work to strengthen this alliance. However, HA, despite mending its relation with Hariri, must remember who stood by them and who made sacrifices for them...HA must consider FPM before making certain moves or statements which could be used to score points by others...and of course HA must consider that FPM, despite supporting the model of HA as a resistance, can be negativelly affected by some actions which may lead to misunderstandings and a weakening of FPM's public image...examples are Sayyed Hassan's speech about 7 may...

also, it is a fact that HA might not be so eager to win an election...but FPM needs that...well, maybe we should work in new formulas which could benefit both parties...

to wrap things up i believe HA and FPM must continue to understand each other for the sake of shiites, christians and lebanon...but maybe a better coordination would make things easier...as well as a wider long term vision...aren't we after all the backbone of the opposition?

REFORM + RESISTANCE sounds good to me...but people need to understand the message...

Unfortunately, I see that more and more Christians are not seeing it this way, ba3doun bel 1943. FPM has no futur if it doesn't ecome a national movement, because Christians are starting to reject it and many still prefer allying with the West (no offenses meant).