Have u lost hope in constructive political debate ?

[Red Phoenix]

This is a simple yet very important Yes or No Poll

Regardless of how u identify yourself politically, have u come to the conclusion that debating politics with others in Lebanon is seriously a hopeless going nowhere case of time wasting?

Me i have come to that conclusion, & i am sure i'm not the only one

It's just a waste of breath, not because politicians don't consider our input, no but because Lebanese and common logic can't be put side to side on the same sentence.

I don't expect people to agree so the fact that Lebanese never agree is not the problem.

The problem is that basic basic VERY BASIC things can't be agreed on.

Such as who won what where..

And who said what on TV while it WAS RECORDED LIVE FOR EVERYONE TO LISTEN to.

Khalas, i lost hope in constructive political debate because Lebanese can't find a common logic axiom on very very basic things. So i'm voting YES.

Almost everybody just likes to be the prophetic preacher who can't get the simplest message through and almost everybody has hearing and vision problems.

So guys regardless who u are and who is making u feel this way, just vote cuz do u think after all said and done a million times over we reached the hopeless pointless debate stage in Lebanese history ?

I hear some say a new perspective is needed, i don't believe that.

I believe Lebanese don't know what basic argumentative logic means in the first place so that's pretty much the gist of the problem.

I also believe ancient Greeks had a billion times more common sense than us.

Statistically the result of the poll should convey the deep rooted problem of Lebanese society as a whole and from there more conclusions can be drawn about the future of our strange societies and magical national entity that is based on individual detachment from reality.

[Zero Cult]

Couldn't have said it better RP...

[Diabolo_7]

I have lost hope in Lebanon!

[FBM]

Originally Posted by Red Phoenix

This is a simple yet very important Yes or No Poll

Regardless of how u identify yourself politically, have u come to the conclusion that debating politics with others in Lebanon is seriously a hopeless going nowhere case of time wasting?

Me i have come to that conclusion, & i am sure i'm not the only one

It's just a waste of breath, not because politicians don't consider our input, no but because Lebanese and common logic can't be put side to side on the same sentence.

I don't expect people to agree so the fact that Lebanese never agree is not the problem.

The problem is that basic basic VERY BASIC things can't be agreed on.

Such as who won what where..

And who said what on TV while it WAS RECORDED LIVE FOR EVERYONE TO LISTEN to.

Khalas, i lost hope in constructive political debate because Lebanese can't find a common logic axiom on very very basic things. So i'm voting YES.

Almost everybody just likes to be the prophetic preacher who can't get the simplest message through and almost everybody has hearing and vision problems.

So guys regardless who u are and who is making u feel this way, just vote cuz do u think after all said and done a million times over we reached the hopeless pointless debate stage in Lebanese history ?

I hear some say a new perspective is needed, i don't believe that.

I believe Lebanese don't know what basic argumentative logic means in the first place so that's pretty much the gist of the problem.

I also believe ancient Greeks had a billion times more common sense than us.

Statistically the result of the poll should convey the deep rooted problem of Lebanese society as a whole and from there more conclusions can be drawn about the future of our strange societies and magical national entity that is based on individual detachment from reality.

Pfffffffffftt my GOD you FPMers Can't understand anything !!! everything you just said is WRONG.... (get it)

[Zero Cult]

Principles of Dialogue:

-Listen
-Suspend Certainty
-Hold the Space for Difference
-Slow Down the Inquiry
-Speak from Awareness

We're light years away from the above...

[Dry Ice]

By the simple fact that someone still cares enough to ask this question, no I haven't lost hope in constructive political debate.

There are quite a few constructive political debates out there, they are unfortunately shadowed by the useless jabbering, however they are there.

Thanks RP

[FBM]

Originally Posted by Zero Cult

Principles of Dialogue:

-Listen
-Suspend Certainty
-Hold the Space for Difference
-Slow Down the Inquiry
-Speak from Awareness

We're light years away from the above...

Please we're ahead of all that we just skip it all and head towards the bashing (which is more fun really)

[Abou Sandal]

Not to generalize but,

I never had high hopes in Lebanese, to start with...Now I don't even have low hopes in them.

Kind of boring people with boring concerns and boring debates... and nothing much to offer to mankind.

[Red Phoenix]

i wish i have something optimistic to say to lift up the spirits of everybody but i dont

i am one who likes logical debates more than i like defending things, i like the challenge of good logic pitted again good logic in a battle for rhetorical excellence

but this is not the case with the lebanese, it never was

with the lebanese it’s a goat head butting practice of excellence

so while it was fun while it lasted ultimately it proved to be a waste of time and human resources on a grand scale worse than the aborted russian moon program

instead of going somewhere with the debate the whole thing turned with time into a quicksand pit where every word drowns and dies ultimately surrounded by a cacophony chorus of unhinged spectator cheers as if in a depraved roman gladiatorial Colosseum

what’s the point in talking to start with if two ppl can’t agree on whether they are both humans and not just aliens in disguise

[BOILER]

How can you debate with someone spent all his life licking boots, and then in a flashing moment of light, this someone starts to accuse you of being Souri Irani(wba3da ta3mit hel jazmeh ma ra7it min Ni3o)?

How can you have a constructive debate with (Wazawiz, zo3ran, militia men)?

How can you have a constructive debate with Liars?

How can you have a constructive debate with people following a murderer and portraying him as a saint?

How can you have a constructive debate with someone trying with all his means to eliminate you from the country?

How can you have a constructive debate with someone saying ''we don't want you in the country, it's just becuase of HA and its weapons, we accepted to give you some rights''?

Should I continue?


So a big YESSS, a constructive political debate is an illusion.