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Next time a criminal is in court for serial killing, His lawyer Haidar, will firmly tell the judge that his client is innocent, for the strong argument that when his client was 5 years old, he helped another falling kid and shared his cereals with him lol.

what Haidar and soo many others miss in their genes is the sense of responsability and credibility. When you are the minister of finances and prime minister over 20 years, and the govt is constantly raped by ministers, employees, programs .. YOU as a prime minister is the first responsible for the stealing.

Haidar, dont quit your day job in the Hariri owned Bank in Hamra :)
I think the saddest part in this message is that citizens are too concerned with defending politicians to the point of jeopardizing the need for checks and balances in the system.

If I think Fouad Siniora is a good man for what he has done in 1984, I would not put in question a whole system that is aimed to protect my rights as a citizen.
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Next time a criminal is in court for serial killing, His lawyer Haidar, will firmly tell the judge that his client is innocent, for the strong argument that when his client was 5 years old, he helped another falling kid and shared his cereals with him lol.

what Haidar and soo many others miss in their genes is the sense of responsability and credibility. When you are the minister of finances and prime minister over 20 years, and the govt is constantly raped by ministers, employees, programs .. YOU as a prime minister is the first responsible for the stealing.

Haidar, dont quit your day job in the Hariri owned Bank in Hamra :)
and if the judge doesn't buy that, the client can always apologize, say he's sorry, and go back home free.
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I think the saddest part in this message is that citizens are too concerned with defending politicians to the point of jeopardizing the need for checks and balances in the system.

If I think Fouad Siniora is a good man for what he has done in 1984, I would not put in question a whole system that is aimed to protect my rights as a citizen.
I never claimed or will judge that Sanioura is a terrible evil man ...

I can only see his outcomes as a Prime Minister, a public servant and therefore judge him in his functions

This is where the article failed big time, I cannot beleive writers has so little notions of such issues ..
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عندما تريد ان تبدو في موقع العارف بالامور
عليك ان تكون عارفاً بالفعل
وما كتب في المقال صحيح وما عليك سوى مراجعة السيرة الذاتية لدولة الرئيس السنيورة لتعلم انه بدأ بالعمل السياسي مع الشيخ رفيق منذ الستينات ايام حركة القوميين العرب
ولكنها مشكلة إن لم تسمع بحركة القوميين العرب وتريد ان تناقش في التاريخ
please enlighten me on their militia work .. and tell me his LOOOOONG political LIFE as this guy claims.

I once spoke and helped some guys in the army, does that make me a man in uniform ?

Who, in Lebanon, was not involved in some ways, in a movement, party, etc

I searched the internet ... in many places, he is not known to be a big time politician and only joined the Hariri empire in the 80s.

Plus, what do you think of the article, Should we, judge a prime minister in bad times, to a man who has an act of humanity 30 years ago. ?? Does that shield him from criticism as a Prime minister ?

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Mr Siniora was born in 1943.

Like Mr Hariri, he grew up in the southern coastal city of Sidon in a Sunni Muslim family.

He attended the American School for Boys in Sidon and the American University of Beirut, where he gained an MBA. He speaks fluent English.

Mr Siniora's business career has been in banking and finance. He held a senior position in the Central Bank of Lebanon from 1977 to 1982.

He then joined Mr Hariri's growing business empire, running his financial interests. He is currently the chairman and managing director of Groupe Mediterranee - which encompasses four Hariri-owned banks.

During the 1970s he also lectured at the American University of Beirut and the Lebanese University.

His interests include a passion for Arab literature and writing poetry. He is married with three children.
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عندما تريد ان تبدو في موقع العارف بالامور
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وما كتب في المقال صحيح وما عليك سوى مراجعة السيرة الذاتية لدولة الرئيس السنيورة لتعلم انه بدأ بالعمل السياسي مع الشيخ رفيق منذ الستينات ايام حركة القوميين العرب
ولكنها مشكلة إن لم تسمع بحركة القوميين العرب وتريد ان تناقش في التاريخ
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The issue is not whther the story about Sanyoura is true or fake...

the issue is: Can you please tell me how does this story exonerate Sanyoura from accusations of corruption and theft?

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The truck was fully loaded with first class cigars from Kuba, Scottish Malt whiskey and Italian pre-teen gay pornographic videos and magazines!
I had to highlight the corrected part of your story. My uncle was your uncle's colleague. I've heard this story as well.
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to hassan haidar :

Thank you man
now i m sure there is Santa clause

will you please help me to write the letter of gifts from now :D

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بعد «انتفاضة» السادس من شباط (فبراير) 1984 ضد حكم الرئيس امين الجميل، وحتى شباط 1987، تاريخ عودة الجيش السوري الى بيروت، شهد الشطر الغربي من العاصمة اللبنانية، وكان لا يزال مفصولاً قسراً عن شرقها، والعكس صحيح، سلسلة اشتباكات ومعارك بين ميليشيات مختلفة الهوى والانتماء الطائفي، كانت الغالبية العظمى من ضحاياها من المدنيين الابرياء الذين سقطوا في الشوارع او وهم يحاولون الوصول الى منازلهم عبر الحواجز والمحاور والمواقع العسكرية، وإما خطفوا «على الهوية» وقتلوا او احتجزوا الى حين استبدالهم بآخرين لدى الطرف المعادي.

وتبين في ما بعد ان تلك الحروب الصغيرة التي كانت تشتعل بفعل فاعل، كان هدفها اشاعة الفوضى واليأس في نفوس سكان العاصمة، واقناع اللبنانيين بأنهم لا يستسيغون العيش معاً، وان رغبتهم في الاقتتال تفوق بكثير توقهم الى حياة آمنة، وتهيئتهم والعالم لقبول فكرة عودة القوات السورية «الوحيدة القادرة على ضبط الامن».

كنت في تلك الفترة اعمل في مؤسسة محلية في بيروت، يقع مبناها في وسط منطقة الحمراء، التي كانت الميليشيات المختلفة تعتبرها «استراتيجية» بسبب كثرة «مواردها» وسهولة جمع «التبرعات» من مؤسساتها. وذات مساء زارنا مسؤول مصرفي كبير كان يحتل موقعاً مهماً في البنك المركزي، وكان على علاقة قديمة بالسياسة. وبعد حوالي نصف ساعة بدأت معلومات ترد عن توتر بين اثنين من الميليشيات، وبدأنا نسمع رشقات نارية بعيدة. قرر الضيف ان يعود الى بيته قبل ان يحتدم القتال، وكان لا يبعد عنا سوى كيلومتر واحد تقريباً، وقال انه سيسلك شارعاً لا يشهد عادة قتالاً وليس فيه مسلحون. لكنه ما ان ابتعد خمسين متراً حتى فوجئ بحاجز لأحد طرفي القتال يطلب منه عناصره ابراز هويته، فعرّف عن نفسه، لكنهم طلبوا هوية سائقه. وعندما عرفوا انه من «الاعداء» انزلوه وعصبوا عينيه وقيدوا يديه، على رغم تدخل المصرفي ورجائه لهم ان يأخذوه بدلاً منه.

وأدى إلحاح الرجل وتمسكه بسائقه بأحد المسلحين الى اطلاق النار بالقرب منه، فهرول عائدا الى مبنى المؤسسة مستغيثاً ببضعة حراس عند مدخلها حاولوا اقناعه بأن الحوار مع المسلحين مستحيل. وبعدما هدأ روعه، بدأت سلسلة اتصالات طويلة ومضنية شارك فيها مسؤولو المؤسسة مع قيادات الميليشيا التي خطفت السائق. وكان المصرفي يردد انه لن يذهب الى بيته الا وقد استعاد السائق، وانه لن يستطيع النظر في عيون اطفاله وزوجته وهو الذي «تسبب» في خطفه عندما انتزعه من بينهم ليرافقه في زيارته.

خمس ساعات ثقيلة مرت الى ان تم «العثور» على مكان احتجاز السائق، وكان ذلك، بحسب رواية قياديي الميليشيا، قبل تنفيذ قرار «تصفيته» بقليل. وعندما وصل برفقة عناصر الميليشيا الى المبنى، هرع الرجل الى استقباله باكيا ومعانقا، وقال: الآن نستطيع العودة الى البيت.

هذا المصرفي صاحب الضمير كان فؤاد السنيورة. فهل نخشى على الخزينة من رجل مثله؟

حتى السوريون، حلفاؤك الجدد الذين لا يطيقون مجرد سماع اسم السنيورة لم يصلوا الى حد اتهامه بالسرقة. ألا قليلاً من التعقل أيها الجنرال.

حسان حيدر
sanioura can save his driver and that's fine BUT STILL THAT DOESN'T ERASE TEH FACT THAT HE'S MAKING THE COUNTRY DRAWN WITH T HARIRI POLICY FROM 1992TILL NOW ! AND PLEASE STOP DAYDREAMING AND ADRESSING TO MICHEL AOUN EVERYTIME U WANT TO SAY SOMETHING ...... LEAVE THIS " CLEAN " PHENOMENE ALONE !!!!!!!!!
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Who is Hassan Haidar

He is in his 50's
Fought during the civil war with the leftists parties.
Worked with As Safir newspaper
Worked with AFP
Currently ra2ees tihreer in Dar Al Hayat.

He is a Shiite Muslim (although non practicing).

Istez Hassan I regret to say I am related to you la2ino 3ammo wahad mitlak ma bisharif il 3ayli
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please enlighten me on their militia work .. and tell me his LOOOOONG political LIFE as this guy claims.

I once spoke and helped some guys in the army, does that make me a man in uniform ?

Who, in Lebanon, was not involved in some ways, in a movement, party, etc

I searched the internet ... in many places, he is not known to be a big time politician and only joined the Hariri empire in the 80s.

Plus, what do you think of the article, Should we, judge a prime minister in bad times, to a man who has an act of humanity 30 years ago. ?? Does that shield him from criticism as a Prime minister ?

Former lecturer

Mr Siniora was born in 1943.

Like Mr Hariri, he grew up in the southern coastal city of Sidon in a Sunni Muslim family.

He attended the American School for Boys in Sidon and the American University of Beirut, where he gained an MBA. He speaks fluent English.

Mr Siniora's business career has been in banking and finance. He held a senior position in the Central Bank of Lebanon from 1977 to 1982.

He then joined Mr Hariri's growing business empire, running his financial interests. He is currently the chairman and managing director of Groupe Mediterranee - which encompasses four Hariri-owned banks.

During the 1970s he also lectured at the American University of Beirut and the Lebanese University.

His interests include a passion for Arab literature and writing poetry. He is married with three children.
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One night, a high-ranking banking official, who held an important position at the Central Bank, with a long history with Politics, came to see us.

Here is how credible the article is and how convincing.
in 1984? Sanioura had a long history with politics? lol

ولكنك يبدو من الواضح انك لا تعلم ما هي الحركات السياسية ، وانتبه لكلمة سياسية، التي كانت في الستيانات ومنها حركة القوميين العرب ، لا بل حاولت ان تحّور العمل السياسي الى عمل ميليشياوي
والمقال قال بالحرف انه كان له علاقة قديمة بالسياسة ولم يقل انه كان سياسياً معروفاً او له تاريخ سياسي عريق ، كما ورد في الترجمة
وبالتالي فكل من شارك في الانتماء للحركات السياسية يمكن اعتباره له علاقة بالسياسة

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كنت في تلك الفترة اعمل في مؤسسة محلية في بيروت، يقع مبناها في وسط منطقة الحمراء، التي كانت الميليشيات المختلفة تعتبرها «استراتيجية» بسبب كثرة «مواردها» وسهولة جمع «التبرعات» من مؤسساتها. وذات مساء زارنا مسؤول مصرفي كبير كان يحتل موقعاً مهماً في البنك المركزي، وكان على علاقة قديمة بالسياسة. وبعد حوالي نصف ساعة بدأت معلومات ترد عن توتر بين اثنين من الميليشيات، وبدأنا نسمع رشقات نارية بعيدة. قرر الضيف ان يعود الى بيته قبل ان يحتدم القتال، وكان لا يبعد عنا سوى كيلومتر واحد تقريباً، وقال انه سيسلك شارعاً لا يشهد عادة قتالاً وليس فيه مسلحون. لكنه ما ان ابتعد خمسين متراً حتى فوجئ بحاجز لأحد طرفي القتال يطلب منه عناصره ابراز هويته، فعرّف عن نفسه، لكنهم طلبوا هوية سائقه. وعندما عرفوا انه من «الاعداء» انزلوه وعصبوا عينيه وقيدوا يديه، على رغم تدخل المصرفي ورجائه لهم ان يأخذوه بدلاً منه.

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Your absolutley right, I think Sanouira at the time was still selling "sanioura" at his dads sweets bakery and shop in Saida ! No !
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The issue is not whther the story about Sanyoura is true or fake...

the issue is: Can you please tell me how does this story exonerate Sanyoura from accusations of corruption and theft?

Cheers
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استعمل هذه الجملة لكي يطعن بمصداقية المقال وهذا كان جوابي عليه وبالتالي ان اردت ان تناقش في موضوع ما عليك ان تثبت صحته قبلاً وهو استعمل طريقة اثبات عدم صدقية المقال من خلال ورود جملة فيه اعتقد انها خطأ ، ولهذا كان ردي على الخطأ الذي اوقع نفسه فيه
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