HASAN NASRALAH A MARTYR'S FATHER OR ISLAMIC REPUBLIC BUILDER

[Comrade Bassam]

Excellent reply novusordo. I totally agree especially concerning the organisation

[Omega80]

I agree as well. I have no fear of Hizbollah at all, in fact, religious ppl are good because that means that they have morals and ethics that they live by. They aren't just a bunch of goons walking around. OF course they have members that act in ways that may scare many Christians, but all groups have members that act in an unruly manner. Since we are fighting for the freedom of Lebanon, Hizbollah should be our natural allies, because they too were fighting for the freedom of Lebanon and suffered the most against the Israelis. So no1 can call them unpatriotic.

[watane 101]

ddiwan80..dont u think that theres sumthin under the table between hizbullah and israel..?i mean we all know that israel can crush all of the arab world easily..so u dont think that they could crush hizbullah?..u dont think that they r able to crush 200 000 (max) men?..
ive read sumwhere (if i find the source ill paste it) that there was an agreement between israel and hizbullah, that the israeli troups will leave lebanon, without hizbullah attackin them..

plus man..if u think that hizbullah was fightin israel for the purpose of lebanon..well i have to disagree with u bro..they r fightin israel considerin the ennemy of islam..
im not sayin that im with israel or against hizbullah..but we have to say the truth bro..if hizbullah is fightin israel, its not becuz they love lebanon..its becuz they r doin it for their religion..

[BybLos]

Originally Posted by Sayyan Benghazi

it seems you missed the point a bi ya byblos, we were talking about their intentions during the war and their idea of an Islamic Lebanese Republic and not about their intentions now, as for what X wrote:

this clarifies that we were talking of the past and as for the federal idea, do you know that there are meetings every now and then between them and the LF and these meetings consentrate on the federalism system?

khaye about fedralism , yeah they meets LF all parties one relegion type fedrealsim fits it bas as lebanese ppl , cant accept any time of those systems bcoz l libnani ghasbin 3ani wo 3anak wo lil asaf ta2efi

[Incognito]

Plus i would like to point out that Hezbollah used to attack syrian forces

Hmm, a very interesting claim you have made here.

Considering Hizballah was founded by theologians inspired by the Islamic Revolution in Iran, and considering the great relationship between Iran and Syria (the Syrian forces and the Iranian Revolutionary Guards worked together in Lebanon), I can't see this statement in having any credibility, unless you can prove otherwise.

We are happy with what Hizballah has done in the South, and we admire them in how they maintain themselves (despite the fact they receive 99% of their funding from Iran), but let us not go to the extent where this party is being over praised.

Hizballah is a sectarian movement, and although it hasn't imposed its power on the rest of Lebanon as yet, it's continued segregation of the massive Shiite community from the rest of Lebanon is incredibly alarming and contrary to efforts to unite the country.

[victory]

Well ya man , eventhough i can't see my self in such a party..but one can't be but impressed by how much followers they have in leb ...
no doubt i have many critics on their political principles and beliefs and how they are biased to syria ... and what makes me most annoyed is that they know what did syria do in lebanon they can't express that because "their benefits" will be affected negatively due to that...again and again we face parties who are ready to guarantee their benefit even if it opposes the national's ones...and the very best and recent example of that is their last decision about the reelection of emile la7oud and when i asked a person i know in hizbollah about that he replied: "for us " he is better than others....i hope that one day will come and hizbollah leaders who are religious men will know that it is not good to make a country's destiny dependent on a pesonal one and they will say all the truth and (who knows)help in the reestablishment of the new lebanon...

[novusordo]

well Mr/Mz incognito, im pretty sure about the info i supplied, you could always check hezbollah archives or even any major broadcasting company archives and i think you'll find the proof that you need.
Plus i will have to ask for Comrade Bassam's help in this matter as he was, as i did, exposed to the same material, the one i talked about in my last reply.
Of course Hezbollah do not talk about it a lot, since, like i already said, they need syrian protection.


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[novusordo]

And wether they were doin it for their religion or not, we must admit that they did a favour to LEBANON as whole, especially considering that israelis are against everyone, muslims and non muslims, they're only for jews.

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[novusordo]

I almost forgot, Hezbollah did have an agreement with the israelis 2 days before they retreated, and they annouced amongst themselves a cesser du feu. i quote (not word to word) : "we walked next to each other, each one of us on his side of the line, each one of us with his weapon at hand, and we didnt fire, they didnt fire."
but that does not mean that Hezbollah is israel's ally! not at all!
I admit that israel has used hezbolah in many occasions to keep lebanon off the map: they killed someone from hezbollah, hezbollah relied and they retaliated by bombing our power suplly, it was all over the news around the world, and no1 came to lebanon (and it always happened before the shopping festival or summer, by coincidence im sure).
but let's not forget that hezbollah is leading a guerilla war on israel. they cannot just fly their planes and kill them all. they don't know who they are or where they are. and thats the thing that made hezbollah succed with their quest.

As for sectarianisme, i believe that all "parties" (if i may call them parties) are based on sectarianism, because they all follow a person, and not pronciples, and im afraid that, notwithstanding the fact that FPM is only about PATRIOTIC principles, some see it as a sectarian organisation. and what about Lebanese Forces? in what way are they better? Amal? ichtirakiyye? this is the way the county is, and unfortunatly, its a normal thing now, there's nothin to it...

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[Omega80]

Well incognito, if ur saying that it is scary because Hizbollah want to divide the country, ya3ni making the shitte part run by them, i mean, isnt that what the LF wants but for the Christian side?
And watane 101, I dont think the only reason why Hizbollah attacks Israel is because of religious reasons. If that was the case, then shi3a's would have been attacking Israel since 1948, but they havent. They only started when Israel started attacking Lebanonn because of the Palestinians. So i think that yes they are attacking Israel for Lebanon, but are just using religion as a motivating force.