HA's weapons and the Christian vote, a 'nightmare' or a scarecrow?

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

You are right....sometimes I think I should remove my avatar and just place a Lebanese flag instead. Most people attack our posts based on the ID of the messenger and not necessarily the message...but then again, I am proud of my LF belonging and what the cedar and the red circle represent. So it's kind of a package deal...
Elie

:c rying:

i can not post too overwhelmed by emotion ( nasheed watani at the back)...

[Mich©]

My main issue is that I am not afraid of HA's weapons nor do I want to get rid of them. My main issue is that it's you "people" that I can't seem to co-exist with bcs you have been more of a threat to me than HA ever was.
I believe my main concern is how to disarm you.

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

You are right....sometimes I think I should remove my avatar and just place a Lebanese flag instead. Most people attack our posts based on the ID of the messenger and not necessarily the message...but then again, I am proud of my LF belonging and what the cedar and the red circle represent. So it's kind of a package deal...
Elie

Well imagine Osama Bin Laden preaching you about human rights, or maybe Mullah Omar preaching about women's rights.... it just don't fit together my friend. It is not about your avatar, it is about you!

As for Hizballa's weapons, I also never felt threatened from them, not as a Lebanese, and not as a Christian. Now do I want to find an appropriate solution for them? Of course I do. The solution can range from them keeping their weapons with them, to them delivering those weapons to the Lebanese government. Now how do we find what is the best solution?

2 things: 1. Dialogue with them, find out what is the purpose of those weapons and why are they hanging on to them.
2. Set goals for them, that once reached, they will move to a national defence strategy program.

FPM did this long time ago my friend, it is called the MoU. Wlak toli3 al sha3er 3ala lsena and we keep telling you go read it!!!!

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

There were many sound ideas presented before on this forum. The ideas ranged from total confrontation (bad option) to some sort of integration with the army (e.g., joint defense, a separate nimble HA group under Army command, etc...). Regardeless of what path we chose, I strongly believe that the government should give HA an ultimatum with a defined time period (like 1 year). If Hizbullah doesn't agree to proposed ideas which lead to disarmament, then "as a starter" they cannot run for parliament nor hold any governmental positions. In other words, we should deny them any participation in the government as long as they view themselves as a military resistance. I believe that stance by the government will deny HA any appropriation from the government and will diminish their popular support among the Shiites (it may also create backlash). Of course, HA still get funding directly from Iran and other sources and we should go after those as well. These government stances may lead to confrontation anyway which is the thing we are trying to avoid from the beginning....so the question is, for how long do we postpone the eventual? How long do we live in this dual-state?
Elie

HA is backed by the overwhelming majority of the Lebanese people,and you,Mr "barely 5%" want to deny them their right in representation in the state?

Tayyeb here is a counter-suggestion:How about they deny you the right to behold the Lebanese citizenship...Heik Heik you're not loyal to this country.I think it might solve the issue of HA's weapons quicker and easier.

Leik Mr "barely 5%",what exactly do they feed you at birth for you to develop such an intellect?

It's been 4 years now that you have been in power,can you explain to me how come you didn't spend one penny to arm and equip the LA?

Wait...I think that you hate the LA ...Yes yes...I remember now...You're the "I love lies" dude whose Party is allied with the terrorists who burnt Achrafieh then fought the Army in Nahr El Bared...

[Ashrafieh_LF]

Originally Posted by Abou Sandal

HA is backed by the overwhelming majority of the Lebanese people,and you,Mr "barely 5%" want to deny them their right in representation in the state?

If that's true then why does HA always refuse a referendum on their weapons??

[Abou Sandal]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

If that's true then why does HA always refuse a referendum on their weapons??

HA always said that he doesn't mind a referendum...Lol...I want that stuff that you're smoking.

Yet IMHO the only referendum that we need is whether we should hang those few febs traitors by the neck or by the balls.

[joseph_lubnan]

Naharnet:

Lebanese Authorities Accused of 'Conspiring' with Hizbullah Cell

Investigation with the so-called Hizbullah cell detained in Cairo has reportedly uncovered a "conspiracy" between the Shiite group and Lebanese authorities – putting Lebanon in a weak position for a confrontation with Egypt.
Pan-Arab daily Al Hayat, citing well-informed Egyptian sources, said Tuesday that Egypt will file an official request with Lebanon demanding to open an investigation into what it called "serious deviations" the probe has revealed, most significantly of all is Lebanese authorities' "conspiracy" in facilitating the work of the Hizbullah cell.

The sources spoke of "grave breaches," including the usage of official Lebanese stamps to mark approval on forged documents.

They said Hizbullah detainee Mohammed Youssef Mansour, known as Sami Shehab, entered Egypt several times on a forged passport under the name of Salim Bassem Sami Hashem.

The sources said the fake passport carried the real picture of Mansour, an indication that an official Lebanese authority or a person working for that authority has facilitated access to the passport.

They said the official document requesting to assign attorney Montasser al-Zayat to represent Mansour "was issued in the same way."

The power of attorney, according to the sources, is signed by Walid Shehab in his capacity as the defendant's brother. Mansour denied having a brother under that name.

The forged document was nevertheless officially authenticated, the sources added.

They said the power of attorney was signed by a Beirut notary with an official Lebanese stamp on it and then authenticated by the Lebanese foreign ministry followed by approval from the Egyptian embassy in Beirut.

The sources said they believed Lebanese authorities or Lebanese people working for official Lebanese bodies had conspired with Hizbullah in preparing the forged documents with genuine stamps.

Meanwhile, Asharq al-Awsat newspaper said defendant Nasser Abu Amra was interrogated up to 10 times over the past few days, given that he is the link between Mansour and a number of other detainees.

It said Abu Amra confessed that he possessed explosive belts he planned to smuggle into the Gaza Strip.

Mansour was among 49 suspects arrested over the past five months and accused of plotting attacks in Egypt on behalf of Hizbullah, a claim the Lebanese group denied, saying Mansour was responsible for helping transport arms to the Gaza Strip.

Beirut, 21 Apr 09

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If this is true, do you believe Hezbollah should be allowed to operate in this fashion without the government's knowledge or approval?

[APN]

I am with resistance 1000%, but I am totally against a political resistance.

I am with resistance 1000%, but I am totally against a resistance that obeys foreign orders that disagree and do not go with our "so called democratic" system.

I am with resistance 1000%, when the weapons of this resistance is not involve in politics and used against the citizens and the country they are defending.

I am with resistance 1000%, when these weapons do not become my fear and my concern every day and every moment.

I am with resistance 1000%, but I am totally against it when this resistance considers everyone as traitors and believes that it has the right to slaughter everyone who it considers traitor.

[Zayn]

I notice that the penniless, homeless Palestinian refugees who scrape by on UN rations, and who are taken advantage of by basically every political party in Lebanon, continue to be the resident scapegoat for Lebanon's ills.

[ceaoun]

Originally Posted by Ashrafieh_LF

If that's true then why does HA always refuse a referendum on their weapons??

Good idea; can we hold also a referendum and ask the people if they prefer SG goes back to prison? or at least ban him from saying: ma ba3rif, ye3ni chou baddi, ma t2illi, ma fi , chou baddi illak, akid akid akid, hatman hatman, min kill bidd....wa, fat7a wa, fa fat7a fa.....?