HA's weapons and the Christian vote, a 'nightmare' or a scarecrow?

[ElieCedar]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

I suggest that this thread be locked and shut down as well, like every other Hezbollah thread. The elections are approaching.

You are absolutely right, the thread about Hizbullah's cell in Egypt was shut down within 24 hours of the news....they are scared that the truth about their allies started to come out. Hizbullah used weapons internally to destabilize and control Lebanon as well as externally in arab and non-arab countries. Hizbullah is a big lying machine. We keep repeating that Hizbullah's weapons is the #1 issue, and they must be disarmed along with other armed militias be it from M8, M14, or from whomever.
Elie

[Addoun Kelloun]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

You are absolutely right, the thread about Hizbullah's cell in Egypt was shut down within 24 hours of the news....they are scared that the truth about their allies started to come out. Hizbullah used weapons internally to destabilize and control Lebanon as well as externally in arab and non-arab countries. Hizbullah is a big lying machine. We keep repeating that Hizbullah's weapons is the #1 issue, and they must be disarmed along with other armed militias be it from M8, M14, or from whomever.
Elie

Ok great !! Let's assume the above is true. And HA refuses to give up their arms for whatever arguments or reasons they have, any ideas on how you are planning on disarming them !!

[ElieCedar]

Originally Posted by Addoun Kelloun

Ok great !! Let's assume the above is true. And HA refuses to give up their arms for whatever arguments or reasons they have, any ideas on how you are planning on disarming them !!

There were many sound ideas presented before on this forum. The ideas ranged from total confrontation (bad option) to some sort of integration with the army (e.g., joint defense, a separate nimble HA group under Army command, etc...). Regardeless of what path we chose, I strongly believe that the government should give HA an ultimatum with a defined time period (like 1 year). If Hizbullah doesn't agree to proposed ideas which lead to disarmament, then "as a starter" they cannot run for parliament nor hold any governmental positions. In other words, we should deny them any participation in the government as long as they view themselves as a military resistance. I believe that stance by the government will deny HA any appropriation from the government and will diminish their popular support among the Shiites (it may also create backlash). Of course, HA still get funding directly from Iran and other sources and we should go after those as well. These government stances may lead to confrontation anyway which is the thing we are trying to avoid from the beginning....so the question is, for how long do we postpone the eventual? How long do we live in this dual-state?
Elie

[Venom]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

There were many sound ideas presented before on this forum. The ideas ranged from total confrontation (bad option) to some sort of integration with the army (e.g., joint defense, a separate nimble HA gr\oup under Army command, etc...). Regardeless of what path we chose, I strongly believe that the government should give HA an ultimatum with a defined time period (like 1 year). If Hizbullah doesn't agree to proposed ideas which lead to disarmament, then "as a starter" they cannot run for parliament nor hold any governmental positions. In other words, we should deny them any participation in the government as long as they view themselves as a military resistance. I believe that stance by the government will deny HA any appropriation fromthe government and will diminish their popular support among the Shiites. Of course, HA still get funding directly from Iran and other sources and we should go after those as well. These government stances may lead to confrontation anyway whichis the thing we are trying to avoid from the beginning....so the question is, for how long do we postpone the eventual?
Elie

whom do you mean by we?

[ElieCedar]

Originally Posted by Venom

who do you mean by we?

The next Government :-)

The "we" is the collective people of Lebanon who wish to live in a single, strong, free society where we have One Law, One Army, One decision making process for war and peace, etc....don't we deserve that??
Elie

[Tayyar Keserwen]

Originally Posted by Venom

whom do you mean by we?

The protectors of 5% of amn el moujtama3 el masi7e....

[Tayyar Keserwen]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

The next Government :-)

The "we" is the collective people of Lebanon who wish to live in a single, strong, free society where we have One Law, One Army, One decision making process for war and peace, etc....don't we deserve that??
Elie

I gotta give it to u... ktir 2weya bel shi3arat ento...

[GMA forever]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

The next Government :-)

The "we" is the collective people of Lebanon who wish to live in a single, strong, free society where we have One Law, One Army, One decision making process for war and peace, etc....don't we deserve that??
Elie

I would have taken your post as geniuine, if I didn't know you were a supporter of the Ja3ja3 Lebanese forces. You cannot preach for peace on one side, and support a killing war machine on the other.

You were bay bayya for 4 years now, why didn't the government that you were the aktariye in it apply what you are asking us here to do in the forum? Plus, what will the next government have, that was lacking in the previous one, which will put it in a better position to apply what you are asking here?

[hannaalsayssa]

Originally Posted by Venom

whom do you mean by we?

WE, anynone excpet ja7afel sg..walaw.
so after WE get HA weapons ,

the palestinians will be settled and loubnanistan or loubnankahlifat will become a reality..
and the name elie ( maroun, ali,mehdi,george,zainab,josephine) shall be banned .
VOILA PROBLEM SOLVED.....

[ElieCedar]

Originally Posted by GMA forever

I would have taken your post as geniuine, if I didn't know you were not a supporter of the Ja3ja3 Lebanese forces. You cannot preach for peace and on one side, and support a killing war machine on the other.

You were bay bayya for 4 years now, why didn't the government that you were the aktariye in it apply what you are asking us here to do in the forum? Plus, what will the next government has, that was lacking in the previous one, which will put it in a better position to apply what you are asking here?

You are right....sometimes I think I should remove my avatar and just place a Lebanese flag instead. Most people attack our posts based on the ID of the messenger and not necessarily the message...but then again, I am proud of my LF belonging and what the cedar and the red circle represent. So it's kind of a package deal...
Elie