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Totally agree, this is terrible and scaring.
Could you guess who votes as they did? Well I have my suspecion but I have no evidence. Perhaps someone who did not like that the video is distributed in public.

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Personnaly this poll result shocked me more than the torture video , does it mean that we are living in Lebanon among some people who are close to cannibals and barbarians !!!???
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The massacre being reported on al-manar
YouTube - هذا هو المستقبل، مجزرة حلبا التي ارتكبتها ميليشيا المستقبل
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That's how SSNP are viewing FM...allah yestor



knowing the history of SSNP....Saad will not be safe even after 50 years if justice is not prevailed.
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knowing the history of SSNP....Saad will not be safe even after 50 years if justice is not prevailed.
I hope that the political advicers around Saad are smart enough to recommend him to go in public and condem the massacre and deliver the guilty ones to justice. Otherwise, i guess he will be in a big trouble.....
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I hope that the political advicers around Saad are smart enough to recommend him to go in public and condem the massacre and deliver the guilty ones to justice. Otherwise, i guess he will be in a big trouble.....
There's MIGHT be a problem with this. If he acknowledges it, he'd be acknowledging that they were his fighters, something he's been denying. Also, he'd have some really pissed-off followers who will feel betrayed. It's loose-loose, so his only option is to choose the least worst of the choices, which will still be pretty bad.
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That's how SSNP are viewing FM...allah yestor



knowing the history of SSNP....Saad will not be safe even after 50 years if justice is not prevailed.
Ths flag applies to Sanioura and some of his collegues like Marwan Hemadeh, but the poor followers of FM are not convinced that this is true, otherwise FM would have its current popularity, regardless of how much they pay them.
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RIP, to all the victims,
One cant describe the feeling but the only thing left is praying for them and the request for justice, don't the family and the friends of those victims deserve a fair justice? international tribunal is not just for the rich and famous.
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I would like to start by saying again that nothing justifies this massacre. The perpetrators (including the army lieutenants/officers etc.... that stood by and watched or that were responsible for security) should be hanged by the balls as well. I just want to point out a few notes, please feel free to add, change and/or dispute the following observations, they could be wrong........

1. The animals that stormed the SSNP office in Halba were families of the victims that had been killed earlier in the day, and they knew or possibly were acquainted with some of the people inside, they were from the same village, they were ahelle dai3a.

2. Halba is a known lawless and strong SSNP village.

3. The pack of animals were screaming "you think we are sahayina zionists that you are shooting at us?" as they were torturing the SSNP victims.

I am trying to make sense and find logic to no avail for this brutal murder, and how could it have been avoidable?

The article from the age mentioned that Fadi, one of the victims was there at the wrong place at the wrong time and not into politics!?!? Then said he was a member of a national party?!?! The sister of the victim in the interview on almanar said he is a proud lieutenant in the SSNP, his family were Hariri supporters. He has not been in lebanon for more than 12 years. My question is what was he doing around an SSNP office leaving four kids behind in Australia? Was he an active participant? It was said that he came to Lebanon to fix his teeth and was told that he needed to eat something before he has his teeth done and found himself in the middle of a gun battle. He has not been in Lebanon for long so he might or might not have been recognized by the locals that he was/is an SSNP lieutenant. So as he was fleeing, the local mob (whether FM/Tahrir/jihad/trabousli/MB etc...)probably mistook him for an active participant in the gun battle. Was he or was he not may be known or never be known.

One finale note: This massacre took place and we all stood by, some let it happen, some cheered and some instigated, but I am left with one question.

FOR WHAT?

No god **** ideology and I don't care what it is in the world is worth leaving four little kids without their father.

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This the result of three years of hate
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النائب الحريري حذر من "التعرض للمفتي الرفاعي او لأي رجل دين ":

ما حصل في عكار مثبت بالوقائع والدعوة للاحتجاج كانت سلمية وحضارية

وطنية - 14/5/2008 (سياسة) صدر عن رئيس "تيار المستقبل" النائب سعد الحريري البيان التالي:"دأبت قناة "المنار" التابعة ل"حزب الله" على تنظيم حملة تلفيق اخبار وبث سلسلة افتراءات وقلب وقائع مكشوفة تناولت الاحداث الدموية التي حصلت في الايام الماضية في مدينة حلبا في منطقة عكار، في محاولة مفضوحة لتحميل مسؤولية هذه الاحداث ل"تيار المستقبل"، واظهار الحزب السوري القومي الاجتماعي مفتعل هذه الاحداث بمظهر الضحية المعتدى عليها.

ولم تكتف قناة "المنار" بهذا القدر من التلفيق والافتراء بل، ارفقت حملتها باستثارة الغرائز والتحريض المنظم ضد سماحة مفتي عكار الشيخ اسامة الرفاعي وتصويره بأنه المسؤول عن الاحداث الاخيرة التي حصلت في عكار.

يهم النائب الحريري ان يؤكد ان ما حصل في عكار مثبت بالوقائع والكل يعرف ان الدعوة التي وجهتها فاعليات ومشايخ عكار ومن ضمنهم المفتي الرفاعي كانت دعوة سلمية وحضارية لابناء عكار للتعبير عن الاحتجاج والغضب لما ارتكبه "حزب الله" وحلفاؤه بحق العاصمة بيروت وسكانها. ولكن هذه الدعوة لم ترق لبعض المسلحين التابعين للحزب السوري القومي، حليف "حزب الله"، فبادروا الى اطلاق النار من مركزهم باتجاه المواطنين العزَّل الذين سقط العديد منهم شهداء وجرحى، كما فعلوا في بيروت وبقية المناطق الاخرى ولدى تلفزيون "المستقبل" الاشرطة المصورة كاملة عمن افتعل الاحداث الدموية في عكار، كما في مناطق عديدة من بيروت، وهي الجهات نفسها التي اشعلت الفتنة في العاصمة وبقية المناطق وقد امتنعنا عن بثها الى الرأي العام من اجل اخماد الفتنة التي اشعلها "حزب الله" بنفسه.

ان ما تبثه قناة "المنار" في ما يتعلق بالاحداث التي حصلت في عكار مؤخرا لا يخرج عن التوجه الواضح والملموس لسياسة "حزب الله" وتوجهاته في التعاطي مع هذه الاحداث التي تسبب بها وحلفاؤه، وهي تشكل تهديدات مباشرة بالقتل والاغتيال لسماحة مفتي عكار وسائر رجال الدين وفاعليات المنطقة الذين شاركوا في التعبير عن مشاعرهم ضد ما يحصل.

ازاء ذلك يحذر النائب الحريري "حزب الله" من مغبَّة التعرض لسماحة مفتي عكار او أي رجل دين في لبنان، او أي من فاعليات منطقة عكار، ايا يكن الفاعل، ويحمل الحزب المسؤولية الكاملة والمباشرة عما يمكن ان يحصل".


he's still denying the massacre
By denying he wrote his death sentence,

- كيف حصلت المجزرة بحق القوميين في مكتب منفذية حلبا، وما هي الظروف التي حالت دون مساندة المتواجدين في المكتب المذكور، وهل كان بالإمكان تجنب ما حصل؟

•قبل أن أجيب على السؤال، أحيي أرواح شهداءنا الأبطال المقاومين الذين سقطوا في المجزرة البشعة التي ارتكبتها عصابات تتار "المستقبل". فما حصل في حلبا كان مخططاً له من قبل هذه العصابات وبعلم قياداتها وبتحريض من بعض أصحاب العمائم الذين أفتوا للمجرمين بقتل القوميين الاجتماعيين من أبناء عكار. وهذا ما ظهر جلياً من خلال تقطيع جثث الشهداء إلى أشلاء، وتصفية عدد من الجرحى في المستشفيات، وبالتالي لم يكن ممكناً تفادي ما حصل، خصوصاً أن المجزرة حصلت عن سابق تصور وتصميم.

لقد استغل القتلة دخول الجيش اللبناني الى مكتب الحزب بعد اتفاق جرى بهذا الصدد فباغتوا القوميين بإطلاق القذائف والرصاص باتجاههم، ما أدّى الى استشهاد وجرح كل من في المكتب.

وقد عكست المشاهد التي وزعها الحزب على وسائل الاعلام الاسلوب الوحشي والهمجي والبربري لعصابات المستقبل ، فالمشاهد يندى لها جبين الانسانية وكاننا نعيش في العصور الوسطى علماً ان الحزب اعتقل العشرات من عناصر تتار "المستقبل" وقام بتسليمهم الى الجيش اللبناني .

أما بالنسبة لمساندة الرفقاء في المكتب، فقد حاولت عدة مجموعات القيام بذلك لكن الجيش حال دون تمكينها من القيام بمهمتها على خلفية ان الجيش سيقوم هو بردع العصابات المجرمة وتسلم مكتب الحزب وحماية المتواجدين فيه .

ولذلك اؤكد ان ما حصل في حلبا، لن يمّر مرور الكرام، ونحن نمتلك اللحظة التي نحاسب فيها المجرمين على فعلتهم. ليس فقط محاسبة من نفذ المجزرة، بل من حرّض على ارتكابها، ومن أعطى الأوامر، ونحن نعرفهم واحداً واحداً، ولن ينجوا بفعلتهم.

- كيف تفسرون صمت القوات اللبنانية، وهل تعتقدون أن هذه العصابة تحضر لشيء ما؟

•أعتقد أن هذه العصابة تحضر بالتأكيد لشيء ما، وهي متخصصة في عمليات الاغتيال والتفجيرات لكنها عاجزة عن المواجهة. وهنالك سبب آخر لصمتها، وهو رهانها على حدوث فتنة مذهبية، لكن هذا الرهان سقط، وظهر أن الصراع الحاصل، هو صراع حول الخيارات السياسية والوطنية.

ربما يقدم سمير جعجع وعصاباته على القيام بعمل ما، لكن أستطيع التأكيد بان أي عمل ستقدم عليه هذه العصابات ستندم عليه وستدفع ثمنه غالياً.
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