GMA interview on OTV (10/6/2009)

[freemind]

Originally Posted by johnnyFPM

So you're saying that if the Socialist Party in France loses the elections, they have to become conservatives?

I'm sorry, we lost, but we'll win again if we're able to convince the people that our choice is the right one. And Vicking presented good ways of doing that.

You had four years to convince people, you had an unprecedented media campaign pre-elections, you had a tv station 24/24 broadcasting your ''choice'' in the last 2 years, you brought up all possible weapons to accuse your rivals...

Yet you couldn't convince anyone; stay stubborn, insist on this ''choice'' of your's maybe you'd have nul MP's next time.

7abibe any party in the world does a self-check and revises its politics after a loss in an elections, I haven't seen FPM doing that in the past 2 days, neither have i even seen a tendency to do a self-criticism!

Really makes one wonder;

...or guess what, i've wondered lots of times before, really did, and it figures that I couldn't careless any longer.

[KingNothing]

Originally Posted by vicking

King,

No one within FPM is good enough to lead the party today - sorry but we dont have a leader yet.

General Aoun is far from being used enough, he has great talents that would need some tuning thanks to profesional PR.

We must work to make sure GMA receive the best advices/support in order to lead the CHange and Reform - from now, we need to win each election

I hope Tayyar will take concrete internal actions // stop criticizing Aoun, we are as much responsible (talking about Tayyar members and direct support team)

Ya vicking, I talk from an angry heart. Your competition is a med school drop out with enough blood on his hands to fill up an olympic swimming pool. You wanna tell me this is all we can do?

[vicking]

Originally Posted by freemind

You had four years to convince people, you had an unprecedented media campaign pre-elections, you had a tv station 24/24 broadcasting your ''choice'' in the last 2 years, you brought up all possible weapons to accuse your rivals...

Yet you couldn't convince anyone; stay stubborn, insist on this ''choice'' of your's maybe you'd have nul MP's next time.

7abibe any party in the world does a self-check and revises its politics after a loss in an elections, I haven't seen FPM doing that in the past 2 days, neither have i even seen a tendency to do a self-criticism!

Really makes one wonder;

...or guess what, i've wondered lots of times before, really did, and it figures that I couldn't careless any longer.

You are right, FPM did major mistakes.. but poiting at General Aoun only is very unfair - he is the less "reponsible"

We must change with :
1/ Hire PR PRofessional - communicate better
2/ Launch international funding plan
3/ COntrol information abroad (as we used to do it before)
4/ Launch programs in English / French
5/ Resolve FPM leadership crisis (we have no other leader)

[LiNk]

Originally Posted by freemind

You lost because you took the wrong path, you took the wrong politics, Samir Geagea however stupid he'd be, said it well, when he accused Aoun of diverting the historical Christian orientations.

Yes he did.

And it was maybe the best thing a Lebanese leader could ever do.

Those "historical" Christian orientations only led to a civil war, and to the downfall of the Lebanese Christian community.

I honestly think this revolution of thought is one of the best things Michel Aoun ever accomplished. Be it intentionally or not.

However, what's interesting is that you - quoting - found his policies wrong, and yet you still managed to vote for FPM, full list.

Dubious isn't it?

[KingNothing]

Originally Posted by Booyakasha

-ومن بعد كل هذا الكلام انا مقتنع بخياراتي السياسية واعتقد ان فيها خلاص للبنانيين وللمسيحيين
المؤامرة هي على المسيحيين، يقبلون كل الزعامات الا المسيحييتـ فيبدوا ان الأميركيين قد شطبوا المسيحيين من المعادلة منذ السبعينات
-واذا كان الامر صحيح فهناك خطة اذن، فالتسونامي السني غير المعادلة، وهذا ما يعتبر مذهبة للصوت، ويعتبر هذا طغيان، ولكن نحن في المجتمع المسيحي ديمقراطيينن بينما بقية المذاهب غير ديمقراطية، حتى عند الشيعة هناك بلوك شيعي، وهناك بلوكات لدى كل الطوائف
- يخوف المسيحيين من الشادور، ولكن مع الشادور يمكن ان نرى وجه المرأة، ولكن ماذا سيفعلون مع العباءة التي لا يرى من المرأة شيئا وماذا سيفعلون مع شاكر العبسي والتطرف هذا ؟


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I must admit that I am not pleased at all with these words. Sure the rest was good, but I had hoped for GMA to cool down on his formulations with a sectarian tone. This dichotomy is being spread into the ranks of the FPM base. FPM needs to get back on its national-scale scope and to avoid sectarian quicksands and classifications. check out Vegojimbo's thread. We are not longing for such stances and as much as I love GMA, he should take it easy on these issues. He once said: If I am being sectarian, reject me (or something like that).

I didn't like his stances on democracy and rights either, it holds quite some contradiction.

Now stripping the interview from the above, I will tend to agree with the rest of what he said.

Cheers

Iza takkalamtou ta2ifiyan fanbouzouni!!!! I still remember it like it was yesterday.

[johnnyFPM]

Originally Posted by freemind

You had four years to convince people, you had an unprecedented media campaign pre-elections, you had a tv station 24/24 broadcasting your ''choice'' in the last 2 years, you brought up all possible weapons to accuse your rivals...

Yet you couldn't convince anyone; stay stubborn, insist on this ''choice'' of your's maybe you'd have nul MP's next time.

7abibe any party in the world does a self-check and revises its politics after a loss in an elections, I haven't seen FPM doing that in the past 2 days, neither have i even seen a tendency to do a self-criticism!

Really makes one wonder;

...or guess what, i've wondered lots of times before, really did, and it figures that I couldn't careless any longer.

Here's your answer:
Denied expectations spelling much needed shape up

[vicking]

Originally Posted by KingNothing

Ya vicking, I talk from an angry heart. Your competition is a med school drop out with enough blood on his hands to fill up an olympic swimming pool. You wanna tell me this is all we can do?

our targets are brainwashed people, the "bourgeoisie", the rich people who think that if GMA win there will be the rule of "tchador" thanks to HA, and so on.

With great communication skills, cash and reorganization we will win. We lost because of very bad communication

[3i3o]

After this interview i have become skeptical more and more; i think they're should be a Change & Reform within the FPM itself, starting from the top.

I mean What I’ve concluded from this interview is the following:

• We deny our failure.
• We keep attacking the opponent religious communities
• We are drowning in the conspiracy theories
• We are blind when it comes to our corrupted allies but alert to the adversary corrupters

Regards.

[KingNothing]

Originally Posted by vicking

our targets are brainwashed people, the "bourgeoisie", the rich people who think that if GMA win there will be the rule of "tchador" thanks to HA, and so on.

With great communication skills, cash and reorganization we will win. We lost because of very bad communication

No, I beg to differ, those people slept in baabda and risked their lives under bombardment! We let them down vicking, they are not brainwashed.

[vicking]

Originally Posted by 3i3o

After this interview i have become skeptical more and more; i think they're should be a Change & Reform within the FPM itself, starting from the top.

I mean What I’ve concluded from this interview is the following:

• We deny our failure.
• We keep attacking the opponent religious communities
• We are drowning in the conspiracy theories
• We are blind when it comes to our corrupted allies but alert to the adversary corrupters

Regards.

Dont change the great leaders by ... who ? do you have a leader ? no.

Change the internal Tayyar PR team.. GMA should be helped by professional : what to say, what not to say.
The 2nd rank Tayyar commanders are to be reorganized, not our leader