GMA interview on OTV (10/6/2009)

[ecce homo]

Originally Posted by manifesto

Quoting Aoun: لا اقبل ان يكون في لبنان نفوذ لاي دولة لا تحترم الحرية ولا حقوق الانسان على ارضها، وهذه الدول انا لا احترمها
نهائي

Is he referring to Saudi Arabia?
I think Aoun should start watching what he says. Iran and Syria do not rank much higher than Saudi on the list of human rights. And why does he keep accusing Hariri of wanting to impose an islamic wahhabist regime. Seriously, that's immature imo. Aoun should not drag himself into the name-calling and propaganda game. Neither Saad nor Nasrallah want to create an Islamic republic in Lebanon. Aoun is as guilty as the loyalists for playing these dirty scare tactics on the Christians.

The difference between those three you named is Freedom of Religion! GMA pushed it a little bit for you to understand, why I should be ruled by someone who doesn’t respect nor recognise my religion.

Actually he is upset because the Lebanese forgot that it was a Lebanese election and made it a US/pro West vs. Iran battle while in reality it was KSA vs. Iran.

[vicking]

anyway we will now see MANY AND STRONG attacks against the General... they are full of hate, they got their revenge.

We must learn from our mistakes, hire PR professional, launch a funding strategy, feed international news/media.. and most important we need to show our full support and unite behind the General.

The General is taking very huge personal attacks from everyone... they want to destroy him - we must stay united and defend him.

In parallel let's work hard and change some internal strategies

[freemind]

Originally Posted by vicking

Freemind, these elections were very important right - but no we didnt lost anything, at contrary we gaine dmore.. not as much as expected, but more :

1/ We learned : Hariri is imposing a real $$$ challenge on us - we have 4 years to gather huge amount of money - we need to launch paid memberships at the international level.

2/ Hiring communication professional to pass our message. We dont know to answer, we dont know to react calmly...we need to learn from our mistakes

3/ Leadership crisis : I have full confidence that General Aoun can make it for the next 10 years.. just look at Jean Marie Le Pen or Giscard Destaing !! But in parallel we must have new charismatic leaders... Gebran Bassil lost an important opportunity - he has 4 years - I am not convinced by Alain Aoun.
Perhaps Ibrahim Kenaan...

4/ Doing talkshows in English and French :
- convince the brainwashed l orient le jour readers
- feed international media with news... very important to keep a strong hold on the international arena


General Aoun is the best leader we ever had in our history... he just need the right team around him to help her regarding communication issues. We need to re-organise the tayyar internal communication strategy.

The General needs us as much as we need him - time is for reorganization and performance. We must work on us for now

Vicking, if you're an 18 year old kid about to get into first year university and looking at the world so bright and gay, i would have understood all your positivity.

People do work for a cause because they are believers.
People do work for a cause without asking for return.
People do give their leader their all because they'd believe he is the solution.
People might digest a defeat once or twice.
People....
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But people will not forever play attentive students, otherwise they'd make slaves!

You lost because you took the wrong path, you took the wrong politics, Samir Geagea however stupid he'd be, said it well, when he accused Aoun of diverting the historical Christian orientations.

I do believe in the cause, i voted for it... but the people said NO, wake up.

Don't give excuses for why you lost, a man admits his mistakes, thats the least of things.

[johnnyFPM]

Originally Posted by freemind

Vicking, if you're an 18 year old kid about to get into first year university and looking at the world so bright and gay, i would have understood all your positivity.

People do work for a cause because they are believers.
People do work for a cause without asking for return.
People do give their leader their all because they'd believe he is the solution.
People might digest a defeat once or twice.
People....
.
.
.
.
.
But people will not forever play attentive students, otherwise they'd make slaves!

You lost because you took the wrong path, you took the wrong politics, Samir Geagea however stupid he'd be, said it well, when he accused Aoun of diverting the historical Christian orientations.

I do believe in the cause, i voted for it... but the people said NO, wake up.

Don't give excuses for why you lost, a man admits his mistakes, thats the least of things.

So you're saying that if the Socialist Party in France loses the elections, they have to become conservatives?

I'm sorry, we lost, but we'll win again if we're able to convince the people that our choice is the right one. And Vicking presented good ways of doing that.

[vicking]

Originally Posted by freemind

Vicking, if you're an 18 year old kid about to get into first year university and looking at the world so bright and gay, i would have understood all your positivity.

People do work for a cause because they are believers.
People that work for a cause without asking for return.
People do give their leader their all because they'd believe he is the solution.
People might digest a defeat once or twice.
People....
.
.
.
.
.
But people will not forever play attentive students, otherwise they'd make slaves!

You lost because you took the wrong path, you took the wrong politics, Samir Geagea however stupid he'd be, said it well, when he accused Aoun of diverting the historical Christian orientations.

I do believe in the cause, i voted for it... but the people said NO, wake up.

Don't give excuses for why you lost, a man admits his mistakes, thats the least of things.

Freemind, I wish I could be 18 ... unfortunatly I am much much more... ;)

We haven't lost.. we won, but less than expected, less than our goal.

The strategy that the General took was the best ever... I dont think that keeping rejecting the Shiaa was a good thing, at least Hezbollah now speaks "lebanese" much more than before.

I have zero trust in Hariri, if they can ally with Hezbollah, Syrian or Israel to finish the Christian they will do it. General AOun took a very long term strategy by openning bridges with Shiaa.

The US and Western countries are the only ones who sold us already - dont count of them, dont be part of their axis. They want the Christian OUT of Lebanon to replace them by the Palestinian.

Dont be naive, dont trust these snakes...

We just need to communicate better

[KingNothing]

Originally Posted by vicking

General Aoun is the best leader we ever had in our history... he just need the right team around him to help her regarding communication issues. We need to re-organise the tayyar internal communication strategy.

The General needs us as much as we need him - time is for reorganization and performance. We must work on us for now

Amen, blessed be his name!
As long as we treat leaders as infallible super humans, we are doomed to always stay a 3rd world country.

[ZakiNassif]

Vickings I am with what you have said 100%

FPM NEEDS TO:

-Pour money and cash into the kazas it has won: ma lezim teb'a a road mich mzafteh, they should help poor families with education and health, they should help build new projects , I dont care if they get the money from the devil himself


-they should have a pure secterian/christian defenders stand: against towtin, against any hariri move to harm christian rights

-they should be even closer to both hezb alla and syria


eh eh i know many of you will be agaisnt the aforementioned points that i have mad for many stupid reasons, but trust me if you think each point and think about it strategicaly you can deduce that by doing that FPM can close the doors on mount lebanon , jezzin and zgharta for a very long time...we have a golden chance i hope we take it (btw I suggest to make the MPs and FPM members much more active , and give more rest to GMA)

Cheers

[KingNothing]

Originally Posted by johnnyFPM

So you're saying that if the Socialist Party in France loses the elections, they have to become conservatives?

I'm sorry, we lost, but we'll win again if we're able to convince the people that our choice is the right one. And Vicking presented good ways of doing that.

The problem is you don't have " a socialist for 2 years" party in France. In 2005 you got 70% of the votes because you ran on a platform 180 degrees different from what you ran on 4 days ago.
2nd are you actually a party? If you are, where are your committees, your elections and your framework?

[vicking]

Originally Posted by KingNothing

Amen, blessed be his name!
As long as we treat leaders as infallible super humans, we are doomed to always stay a 3rd world country.

King,

No one within FPM is good enough to lead the party today - sorry but we dont have a leader yet.

General Aoun is far from being used enough, he has great talents that would need some tuning thanks to profesional PR.

We must work to make sure GMA receive the best advices/support in order to lead the CHange and Reform - from now, we need to win each election

I hope Tayyar will take concrete internal actions // stop criticizing Aoun, we are as much responsible (talking about Tayyar members and direct support team)

[Booyakasha]

-ومن بعد كل هذا الكلام انا مقتنع بخياراتي السياسية واعتقد ان فيها خلاص للبنانيين وللمسيحيين
المؤامرة هي على المسيحيين، يقبلون كل الزعامات الا المسيحييتـ فيبدوا ان الأميركيين قد شطبوا المسيحيين من المعادلة منذ السبعينات
-واذا كان الامر صحيح فهناك خطة اذن، فالتسونامي السني غير المعادلة، وهذا ما يعتبر مذهبة للصوت، ويعتبر هذا طغيان، ولكن نحن في المجتمع المسيحي ديمقراطيينن بينما بقية المذاهب غير ديمقراطية، حتى عند الشيعة هناك بلوك شيعي، وهناك بلوكات لدى كل الطوائف
- يخوف المسيحيين من الشادور، ولكن مع الشادور يمكن ان نرى وجه المرأة، ولكن ماذا سيفعلون مع العباءة التي لا يرى من المرأة شيئا وماذا سيفعلون مع شاكر العبسي والتطرف هذا ؟


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I must admit that I am not pleased at all with these words. Sure the rest was good, but I had hoped for GMA to cool down on his formulations with a sectarian tone. This dichotomy is being spread into the ranks of the FPM base. FPM needs to get back on its national-scale scope and to avoid sectarian quicksands and classifications. check out Vegojimbo's thread. We are not longing for such stances and as much as I love GMA, he should take it easy on these issues. He once said: If I am being sectarian, reject me (or something like that).

I didn't like his stances on democracy and rights either, it holds quite some contradiction.

Now stripping the interview from the above, I will tend to agree with the rest of what he said.

Cheers