German Control of Lebanon's Sea

[DL]

It was reported (Al-Akhbar today) that the great government of Lebanon has officially asked the German navy to become the sole - and complete - "owner" of Lebanon's Sea. This means that the German navy has now full control of the our Sea and does not act as support of our national army nor does it require the formal approval from our officers to do whatever in our water.

Fact 1: Let us not forget that the German navy is completely useless against Israel - last week's many accidents of Israeli planes threatening German boats and helicopters confirms that the Germans can do nothing against Israel.

Fact 2: Joseph Samaha confirmed in Al-Akhbar this week that Israel signed with NATO agreements regarding Air and Water control and information sharing. Does this mean that Israel controls our waters now through Germany / NATO?

Fact 3: Let us not forget what Merkel said lately: "We are here to support Israel's right of existence"

The question here: are we under a brand new form of occupation? If so, what should we be doing about it?

[Haruun]

Lebanon is being exploited by the entire world; our government sells to the highest bidder. Everyone in our government is responsible, everyone in our government should be held to account for this and the thousands of other offenses they have committed.

[jiugiusti]

Originally Posted by Dutch Lebanese

It was leaked that the great government of Lebanon has officially asked the German navy to become the sole - and complete - "owner" of Lebanon's Sea. This means that the German navy has now full control of the our Sea and does not act as support of our national army nor does it require the formal approval from our officers to do whatever in our water.

Fact 1: Let us not forget that the German navy is completely useless against Israel - last week's many accidents of Israeli planes threatening German boats and helicopters confirms that the Germans can do nothing against Israel.

Fact 2: Joseph Samaha confirmed in Al-Akhbar this week that Israel signed with NATO agreements regarding Air and Water control and information sharing. Does this mean that Israel controls our waters now through Germany / NATO?

Fact 3: Let us not forget what Merkel said lately: "We are here to support Israel's right of existence"

The question here: are we under a brand new form of occupation? If so, what should we be doing about it?

Fact(1). German navy controlling the sea is useful. We all know that Israel won't get into conflict with german navy (or the current unifil) and each time they violate the 1701, the international community will raise its voice a little bit. In this way, the Israeli will count till 1000 before engaging into another war against lebanon.

Fact(2): Who is Joseph Smeha? the new CIA director?

Fact(3): What are you waiting from Angel Merkel and the whole west? Defending the interests of Iran and syria in lebanon?

Occupation is not just having a foreign army on your land. Occupation is when this army (israel in 1982 and syria the last 15years) imposes our president, PM, speaker, our deputies, our administrations, etc.....

What we can do? since when we can do? unless you think that we should confront the US and the Europe (current unifil).

[MPFL]

Originally Posted by jiugiusti

Fact(1). German navy controlling the sea is useful. We all know that Israel won't get into conflict with german navy (or the current unifil) and each time they violate the 1701, the international community will raise its voice a little bit. In this way, the Israeli will count till 1000 before engaging into another war against lebanon.

Fact(1).. i guess i am depth nowadays.
It has been 2 months since the cease fire with daily violation from the Israeli side and i didn't hear any international community raising it voice!!
Did u hear any?

Originally Posted by jiugiusti

Fact(3): What are you waiting from Angel Merkel and the whole west? Defending the interests of Iran and syria in lebanon?

Is this your new philosophy?? if you are not with than u are against me???
How about defending lebanon interests???
How about defending lebanon sea??
How about training our navy and providing them with enough equipment??
or we did sell our sea for life?

Originally Posted by jiugiusti

Occupation is not just having a foreign army on your land. Occupation is when this army (israel in 1982 and syria the last 15years) imposes our president, PM, speaker, our deputies, our administrations, etc.....

All what u stated is occuption.
And also having any foreign country controlling a part, no matter how small it is, of ur land/Air/Sea is also occupation.

Originally Posted by jiugiusti

What we can do? since when we can do? unless you think that we should confront the US and the Europe (current unifil).

Of course we don't want to confront the UN.
But where is that POLITICAL RESISTANCE some people are talking about??
Oh sorry i forgot it was just a lie.

[DL]

The article is here: http://www.al-akhbar.com/ar/node/10666

The information is based on German sources! (http://www.stern.de/video/575545.html?q=libanon Translation: German Marine has full freedom / control over Lebanon's coast)

[joseph_lubnan]

It is the UN not Germany. In this case Germany is under the UN umbrella.
In any case we need all the UN help we can get, and if HA didnt launch their adventure and agreed to voluntarily end their armed militia, we wouldnt be in the situation we are in today. Today there are two reasons Lebanon needs the UN: HA and Israel. HA is a rogue party from within and Israel is a nation with which Lebann is still at war.

[Dry Ice]

Originally Posted by Dutch Lebanese

The article is here: http://www.al-akhbar.com/ar/node/10666

The information is based on German sources! (http://www.stern.de/video/575545.html?q=libanon Translation: German Marine has full freedom / control over Lebanon's coast)

Thank you, that's an interesting reference.

Let's wait and see if any Lebanese official would confirm such a move or in the expectative, the Lebanese could perform some demos to protest this leaked move, what do you think?

[chafic]

UNIFIL's mission in Lebanon seems to be limited to the following:

1- Preventing any direct clashes on the Lebanese-Israeli borders
2- Reducing the movability of Hezbollah and limiting its activities
3- Preventing weapon smuggling to Hezbollah from the sea and if possible across the borders with Syria.

How that mission might evolve is actually unknown, but those forces don't seem to have any defensive tasks assisting the Lebanese army. Moreover, Israel doesn't seem to be intimidated at all by these forces, seeing the frequent Israeli air incursions, disregarding the UNIFIL protest (at some point) and violating the UN resolution 1701.

At the best, we can hope that the UNIFIL forces would be able to keep things soothe for a while, until we could solve our internal problems. Expecting anything more of them would be illusory (they're not here to defend Lebanon). And keeping our internal problems hanging with no solution would only make the situation more detrimental.

Regards

[DL]

Originally Posted by Dry Ice

Thank you, that's an interesting reference.

Let's wait and see if any Lebanese official would confirm such a move or in the expectative, the Lebanese could perform some demos to protest this leaked move, what do you think?

My opinion is simple: I think our great government is still trying so hard to push for a foreign agenda including putting Lebanon under a de-facto occupation. This move is very dangerous since it can be followed by similar ones at the airport or airspace. I feel that this is blunt occupation and it needs to be countered immediately first via political means (FPM, HA and others should make it high on the political questionning agenda), then by public pressure. And if all fails, then via other ways that are available to the people when they are occupied! And I do hope we never reach that stage!

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by chafic

UNIFIL's mission in Lebanon seems to be limited to the following:

1- Preventing any direct clashes on the Lebanese-Israeli borders
2- Reducing the movability of Hezbollah and limiting its activities
3- Preventing weapon smuggling to Hezbollah from the sea and if possible across the borders with Syria.

How that mission might evolve is actually unknown, but those forces don't seem to have any defensive tasks assisting the Lebanese army. Moreover, Israel doesn't seem to be intimidated at all by these forces, seeing the frequent Israeli air incursions, disregarding the UNIFIL protest (at some point) and violating the UN resolution 1701.

At the best, we can hope that the UNIFIL forces would be able to keep things soothe for a while, until we could solve our internal problems. Expecting anything more of them would be illusory (they're not here to defend Lebanon). And keeping our internal problems hanging with no solution would only make the situation more detrimental.

Regards

I am not too terribly worried about how the UN mission will evolve!! We have more important things to worry about in Lebanon and in fact the UN presence is a positive thing for Lebanon.