Geagea vs Jounblatt!

[Cyclops]

it is hypocrasy for those who are comparing him with GMA who never abandoned his beliefs for his narrow interests...... Jumblat is an excellent seasurfer, and knows exactly how to ride the highest wave... nevertheless, mish kill marra btislam el jarra

[moughtarib]

Originally Posted by Greg Davis

Kappa,

I'm sure you will ally with anyone who will legitimise your weapons.

But, According to your rhetoric, Jumblat today is closer to the HA, AMAL,SSNP,FPM alliance than the 14ers. why don't you just form a majority government with Jumblat, and excluded the 14ers ?

That is democracy in its true form.

You can bring Karami as the PM, and appoint cabinet at your own discretion .

I will completely support such cabinet, where at least i will have someone to hold accountable.

Your 'so called' unity government should be relabled, government of unacountablity. You won't take charge and govern because the entire nation will hold you accountable for their misfortune, but you won't let others govern, in fear that they might succeed and improve lebanon, and take credit for it. I'm sick of this Zoo Called lebanon.

P.s

Good luck with your Geagea bashing, but you can rest assured the more the likes of Jumblat and Hizbullah accuse the Lebanese-forces with treason, the more popular the LF get.

1. In Lebanon's confessional system, the sunni majority chose Future Movement and their executional seat is the Prime Minister job; so even if the opposition + Junblatt can form a majority; the Prime Minister must be a Future Movement member.
--> that covers the 'lebanese/constitutional' angle. there is the Saudi/Egyptian angle that definitely are the ones who 'name' the game.

2. This is not LF or Geagea bashing; its a comparison of the 'bahir' statements those two x-allies made and trying to understand where and how far things are going in 'real-politics
--> LF's popularity will increase if they're closer to Israel? We know that the Lebansese population is dumb, but not that dumb i hope.

[Greg Davis]

Originally Posted by moughtarib

1. In Lebanon's confessional system, the sunni majority chose Future Movement and their executional seat is the Prime Minister job; so even if the opposition + Junblatt can form a majority; the Prime Minister must be a Future Movement member.
--> that covers the 'lebanese/constitutional' angle. there is the Saudi/Egyptian angle that definitely are the ones who 'name' the game.

2. This is not LF or Geagea bashing; its a comparison of the 'bahir' statements those two x-allies made and trying to understand where and how far things are going in 't real-politics
--> LF's popularity will increase if they're closer to Israel? We know that the Lebansese population is dumb, but not that dumb i hope.

Sorry Moughtarib, but your ightarab is clouding your judgement/knowledge

In confessional Lebanon, it is the parliamentary majority who elect a Prime Minister who happens to be Sunni.

Sunnis are just one of the four islamic sects that make up half of Lebanon's parliament.

The Constitution is clear as is the majority's right to form a government, so long as the government is formed of all sects that form Lebanon's diverse confessional landscape. There is nothing in the constitution that specifies whether the PM belongs to the majority Sunni block or not.

You can't just make up the rules as you go.

Or we might as well rip up the Constitution and use it for toilet paper.

[Kumari]

Originally Posted by Greg Davis

Your 'so called' unity government should be relabled, government of unacountablity. You won't take charge and govern because the entire nation will hold you accountable for their misfortune, but you won't let others govern, in fear that they might succeed and improve lebanon, and take credit for it. I'm sick of this Zoo Called lebanon.

They did govern for the last 15 years and they only succeeded in bankrupting the country, inflaming sectarian hate and all the misfortunes that has incurred. Rest assured no one has illusions in this case.

[TayyaRevolution]

Originally Posted by Greg Davis

Sorry Moughtarib, but your ightarab is clouding your judgement/knowledge

In confessional Lebanon, it is the parliamentary majority who elect a Prime Minister who happens to be Sunni.

Sunnis are just one of the four islamic sects that make up half of Lebanon's parliament.

The Constitution is clear as is the majority's right to form a government, so long as the government is formed of all sects that form Lebanon's diverse confessional landscape. There is nothing in the constitution that specifies whether the PM belongs to the majority Sunni block or not.

You can't just make up the rules as you go.

Or we might as well rip up the Constitution and use it for toilet paper.

You are right. Nothing in the constitution says that, but as respect to the national pact of co-existence, we are working towards a fair system of governance. As a PM-designate, we are willing to find a workable solution.

However, Jumbi is working on screwing Hariri over. He wont totally work with the Opposition (mainly coz Aoun wont allow co-operation without settling some issues), and he wont give Hariri the votes in parliament to form a majority-only cabinet. So Hariri is stuck in the middle. Jumbi is keeping Hariri in la la land.

Aoun wont eliminate himself and will perservere with his rightful demands in a government of national unity. HA wont enter into govt without Aoun. And Jumbi wont allow a govt that provokes the Shia.

There u have it :)

[johnnyFPM]

Originally Posted by Greg Davis

Sorry Moughtarib, but your ightarab is clouding your judgement/knowledge

In confessional Lebanon, it is the parliamentary majority who elect a Prime Minister who happens to be Sunni.

Sunnis are just one of the four islamic sects that make up half of Lebanon's parliament.

The Constitution is clear as is the majority's right to form a government, so long as the government is formed of all sects that form Lebanon's diverse confessional landscape. There is nothing in the constitution that specifies whether the PM belongs to the majority Sunni block or not.

You can't just make up the rules as you go.

Or we might as well rip up the Constitution and use it for toilet paper.

Well, if I were to adopt your reasoning, then it's not even written in the constitution that the president/PM/Speaker should respectively be Maronite/Sunni/Shiite, and the ministries be equally distributed among the sub-sects the way they are now. But the national pact of coexistence says so. And it also implies that these people be chosen from their sects according to their representativity in them.

Don't get me wrong, I am against this system. But unfortunately it's still in place and we have to abide by it. This is why as FPM, we won't agree that Karame or some minor sunni figuer be PM, the same as we don't agree that christian ministers be unrepresentative of their sect, and the same as when we considered the government illegitimate a few years back when it was void of any true shiite representative.

[shadow1]

Originally Posted by Greg Davis

The Constitution is clear as is the majority's right to form a government, so long as the government is formed of all sects that form Lebanon's diverse confessional landscape. There is nothing in the constitution that specifies whether the PM belongs to the majority Sunni block or not.

You can't just make up the rules as you go.

Or we might as well rip up the Constitution and use it for toilet paper.

While the constitution aimed to be fair, without even creating a workable methodology to be implemented, dont you get the impression that no one is feeling like the constitution is being fair to them?

Perhaps then we should rip it up and try to find a working one.

The sunnis think it is their right for their largest block to have the prime minister job, the opposition (always barracading behind a numerical majority) doesnt like the person the sunnis offered. It's an impass the constitution has no solution for or at least none that could be implemented without a war or a threat of one, which in itself is capable of making touching the constitution impossible. Add to this is a political stage full of giants who are way too big to have any space available for their adversaries who are also giants.

The only obvious thing is the crew isnt leading this ship anywhere and the captain has just come back from Andalussia, Happy to have been so regally received by queen Sofia and King Carlos.

Just so I am not too much off topic. Geagea Vs Junblatt is a sort of a side show alongside the main drama, which is the lebanese political system, a corpse with open eyes, often mistaken for being alive.

[hannaalsayssa]

sg boys use to muse that walid wa sa3doun are following in his foot steps and he is leading them LOL.

now they say, that sg is still steady but they changed.

they will always find an excuse, weaklings always blames others for their loss, etc....

JAMALL WA LAW TARR ( is their motto for now).

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Greg Davis

Kappa,

I'm sure you will ally with anyone who will legitimise your weapons.

But, According to your rhetoric, Jumblat today is closer to the HA, AMAL,SSNP,FPM alliance than the 14ers. why don't you just form a majority government with Jumblat, and excluded the 14ers ?

That is democracy in its true form.

You can bring Karami as the PM, and appoint cabinet at your own discretion .

I will completely support such cabinet, where at least i will have someone to hold accountable.

Your 'so called' unity government should be relabled, government of unacountablity. You won't take charge and govern because the entire nation will hold you accountable for their misfortune, but you won't let others govern, in fear that they might succeed and improve lebanon, and take credit for it. I'm sick of this Zoo Called lebanon.

P.s

Good luck with your Geagea bashing, but you can rest assured the more the likes of Jumblat and Hizbullah accuse the Lebanese-forces with treason, the more popular the LF get.

don't throw the garbage of LF/Kataeb/FM and the rest of the valentinos on us...:)

[Zero Cult]

Originally Posted by Greg Davis

Sorry Moughtarib, but your ightarab is clouding your judgement/knowledge

In confessional Lebanon, it is the parliamentary majority who elect a Prime Minister who happens to be Sunni.

Sunnis are just one of the four islamic sects that make up half of Lebanon's parliament.

The Constitution is clear as is the majority's right to form a government, so long as the government is formed of all sects that form Lebanon's diverse confessional landscape. There is nothing in the constitution that specifies whether the PM belongs to the majority Sunni block or not.

You can't just make up the rules as you go.

Or we might as well rip up the Constitution and use it for toilet paper.

You're talking about technicalities while Moughtarib is talking about realities.