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Reform and Change how can you reform and change when you are not the decision maker
how can you reform and change when you have the most corrupted persons in the government and yo ucan't do anything about it ?
Parliament.

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you're talking about the electoral low... how can they ask for the proportional electoral law when FM LF PSP and the others don't even want the Qaza law ..? when you can't get what you want because they have the majority then you try to get the best that you can get and try to ask for better
LF proposed the small districts and the Boutros law, which approximately both figure in the FPM "program", but well....

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because after the Ghazy kin3an Hariri law in 2005 FPM learned the lesson and better get a not bad law and ask for a better one then have an awful law
When the "program" was written and was bragged about for months, FPM was well aware that elections were taking place under the 2000 law.

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Bristol clowns are the allies of the current government i didn't see them asking for any reform and not complaining about any neither
oh maybe they reformed the Holly friday we should thank them for that
What does the Holy Friday have to do with this. Arguably, many ministries were doing a good job. In the opposite case, reformists should have better monitored governmental work in the parliament, had these first believed in anything such as a democracy.


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when you are not the decision maker you can't apply any of the reforms you claim you want to do so until FPM can participate effectively in the government you can't judge them.
Of course you can, through the Parliament. Next time include a notice in your electoral program : "Don't expect us to do a thing, but expect us to go in the opposite direction of reform, in case we're not a majority. Beware populace!".
And of course, closing the parliament, supporting militias, building on sectarianism, dealing with the state as a pie for sect leaders all go in the opposite direction of reform or change. No delusions here.

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plus it's honor that Reform and change reached Syria if they decided to reform and change it's good news for lebanon especially that Syria declared that they are going to open an embassy in lebanon
When FPM were demanding of a country to country relation with syria all the 14 Feb gang were crying and shouting here goes the Syrian agents
and now we see them asking for the same things we asked for 3 years ago
I think that part is of little relevance.

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Geagea is struggling and all his gea3gea3a is just to put some pressure on Hariri so that he'll give him one or two ministers that's all it's the usual Cassette he has been singing nothing new
I couldn't care less about the government formation, or about Geagea's intentions. I was just highlighting some valid points he made.
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Mr. Mandela left his years in prison, became president, and solved the biggest problem his country had ever faced.

Mr. Geagea left his years in prison, (updates pending), and solved the biggest problem his country had ever faced.
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Mr. Geagea left his years in prison, (updates pending), and solved the biggest problem his country had ever faced.[/b]


This simple peice of metal would solve the problem.

Send him back to prison.
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Mr. Mandela left his years in prison, became president, and solved the biggest problem his country had ever faced.

Mr. Geagea left his years in prison, (updates pending), and solved the biggest problem his country had ever faced.
You forgot to mention why Nelson Mandela was sent to prison....big difference.
NM spent 27 years compare to 11 of SG.
NM was against apartheid, SG was against, well everyone that did not believe in his ideas.
NM changed his thinking once he was released from jail to reconcilition and negotiation.. SG changed to worse than before entering jail.
I say, we send SG back to jail and let him serve an additional 16 years so you can compare him to Nelson Mandela.
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Samir Geagea is a man of courage, the symbol of a community and was imprisoned at the ministry of defense on various war crimes charges, serving three life sentences.

Geagea was the only being put through in those disgusting jail conditions, the only sectarian militia leader from the civil war to have faced trial and some Christians see the authorities' actions against him as indicative. Geagea is innocent and the disease we know as Syria knows this.

Geagea was prevented every while and then from his daily exercise and banned from receiving beings.

Geagea is alive and a leader.
I guess you are too young to know about geagea the kill.. when he shot the lebanese army officers in their heads,
i agree with you that there were other militia that did many killings but not as brutal as him , you can go and buy the book "3indama alkaitou el-sila7" a book written by regina sneifer and you will know who the LF are ...

can you tell me which lebanese militia killed with cold blod an innocent prime minister "rachid karame" or similar ..........


he is now a leader but check about his followers : a bunch of mobilette riders that are anxious for war to start all over so that they gain money and go back buying drugs,
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LF proposed the small districts and the Boutros law, which approximately both figure in the FPM "program", but well....
Really? when/where was that? in the media?

Did they propose them in Doha? As far as I know all what Geagea wanted in Doha is to put Armenians with Sunna instead of Shi3a unless they change their political stances. (I am sure you were impressed by this "valid" and full of "sense" point made by Geagea as you were today following his press conference).

Why were ALL loyalists (LF included) in Doha against the Boutros law especially in Beirut? Why did they (except Safadi) reject the mou7afaza + proportionality proposal?

If LF really proposed small division , why did they refuse in Doha Kamal Feghali 's 40 circonscriptions law (2-4 Mps in each).
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Take it easy mister. He's right mentioning the absurdity of a reform and change alliance with Franjieh and Skaf.

This may well be the first time i completely disagree with you. Throwing names for the sake of it isn't one of your habits, so my question to you is, why does Skaff's name figure alongside the irony of reform & change present in your post? Furthermore, I believe you'll have a hard time convincing me, not to mention proving that Skaff himself is a bad seed.

I believe you're hastly judging people you do not know much about.
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I guess you are too young to know about geagea the kill.. when he shot the lebanese army officers in their heads,
i agree with you that there were other militia that did many killings but not as brutal as him , you can go and buy the book "3indama alkaitou el-sila7" a book written by regina sneifer and you will know who the LF are ...

can you tell me which lebanese militia killed with cold blod an innocent prime minister "rachid karame" or similar ..........

he is now a leader but check about his followers : a bunch of mobilette riders that are anxious for war to start all over so that they gain money and go back buying drugs,
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This may well be the first time i completely disagree with you. Throwing names for the sake of it isn't one of your habits, so my question to you is, why does Skaff's name figure alongside the irony of reform & change present in your post? Furthermore, I believe you'll have a hard time convincing me, not to mention proving that Skaff himself is a bad seed.

I believe you're hastily judging people you do not know much about.
Zero Cult,

I'll have to concede here. Including Skaff's name isn't much intended by itself, it mostly came in the course of quoting Geagea's statement.

Even though Skaff is not the politician I would vote for, I don't think either that he's a bad seed (as in mischievous), compared to the politicians we have around.

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اذا فيك توصلو خبر انه لما بدو يحكي عن اشرف الناس الي هني الجنرال والسيد يبخر تمه بالأول اسن ما يلوثهم بوسخوا

This sentence right there summarizes every thing that is wrong with the lebanese political system where supporters of each zaim are convinced that their leaders are right all the time and never make any wrong decision, wlak making mistakes is part of human nature unless we re talking about saints of course.
oh wait how could i forget according to gebran bassil michel aoun ta7et allah bi chway and i m sure by now nasrallah has joined him there. :D
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