Fuel Price in Lebanon

[lady_forever]

Originally Posted by Armenian

I totally agree...

We were sitting with some friends comparing prices between Lebanon and Canada...

Last time I visited Lebanon, the only thing cheaper in Lebanon were the houses... But guess what, this time we calculated and even houses are much more expensive in Lebanon... It's crazy...

Thank you!!

True..I have also a friend who came last month almost same timing as me from canada and she told me it is really crazy in lebanon..... we were discussing prices in australia and canada and found out that to live in lebanon you need a much higher income than we even have abroad though it is easier for us cause we get paid weekly whereas there they have to wait till end of the month till they get paid, so i wonder how people can live eat drink in lebanon

[oscard]

Originally Posted by gma forever

رح بتضلك مقهور يا شعب الي ما بتثور

رح بتضلك مقهور يا شعب ياللي ما بدك تثور

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Armenian

I totally agree...

We were sitting with some friends comparing prices between Lebanon and Canada...

Last time I visited Lebanon, the only thing cheaper in Lebanon were the houses... But guess what, this time we calculated and even houses are much more expensive in Lebanon... It's crazy...

Thank you!!

and salaries are better too, i am not talking about a guy who works in Sukleen but a an engineer with 10+ years of experience make more money in Lebanon than Canada, here taxes kill you when it comes to this.

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

and salaries are better too, i am not talking about a guy who works in Sukleen but a an engineer with 10+ years of experience make more money in Lebanon than Canada, here taxes kill you when it comes to this.

I know 10+ years experience lawyers who can't make the end of the month. I know also engineers who barely make it.
Those have also to pay for their children's schools, have to pay for every single doctor visit around 40-50$, have to pay for every single medicine they buy, dentist visits never covered... Do you know how much a family of 2 children pays per month on these things, we also pay taxes on our income, and I wonder why the heck do we do that, what do we get in return.

I know in the US and Canada taxes are high, but they go up as the salary goes up no? So basically the ones who do not make a lot of money do not pay a lot of taxes (% wise), they get a lot of benefits, you take a loan for example for a house and your taxes go down, you pay for some goodwill association and it is deducted from your tax...

I was comparing my expenses with those of a friend who lives in one of the nice areas in California, well she was shocked to know that we have almost the same expenses, taking into consideration the insurances (car, health), apartment loan, kids schools, everyday's expenses like supermarket, mazout, fuel... we ended up having almost the same expense, when she makes more than 5 times more than I do.

[J. Abizeid]

Originally Posted by Youchka

I know 10+ years experience lawyers who can't make the end of the month. I know also engineers who barely make it.
Those have also to pay for their children's schools, have to pay for every single doctor visit around 40-50$, have to pay for every single medicine they buy, dentist visits never covered... Do you know how much a family of 2 children pays per month on these things, we also pay taxes on our income, and I wonder why the heck do we do that, what do we get in return.

I know in the US and Canada taxes are high, but they go up as the salary goes up no? So basically the ones who do not make a lot of money do not pay a lot of taxes (% wise), they get a lot of benefits, you take a loan for example for a house and your taxes go down, you pay for some goodwill association and it is deducted from your tax...

I was comparing my expenses with those of a friend who lives in one of the nice areas in California, well she was shocked to know that we have almost the same expenses, taking into consideration the insurances (car, health), apartment loan, kids schools, everyday's expenses like supermarket, mazout, fuel... we ended up having almost the same expense, when she makes more than 5 times more than I do.

Ziad was right:
Mawed Awalieh ma fi
Bas kizb & za3bara fi ktir, ya cha3ba lubnan al 3azim.

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Youchka

I know 10+ years experience lawyers who can't make the end of the month. I know also engineers who barely make it.
Those have also to pay for their children's schools, have to pay for every single doctor visit around 40-50$, have to pay for every single medicine they buy, dentist visits never covered... Do you know how much a family of 2 children pays per month on these things, we also pay taxes on our income, and I wonder why the heck do we do that, what do we get in return.

I specifically said engineers because the order covers most these and engineers subscribe to orders anyway, you can insure yourself for teeth and that's what people do in Canada they pay insurance for their teeth.
You are supposed to get roads and water etc for your taxes and some you get some you don't, but by the way you don't pay as many taxes as in Canada.

Originally Posted by Youchka

I know in the US and Canada taxes are high, but they go up as the salary goes up no? So basically the ones who do not make a lot of money do not pay a lot of taxes (% wise), they get a lot of benefits, you take a loan for example for a house and your taxes go down, you pay for some goodwill association and it is deducted from your tax...

That's only in the US, interests are not tax deductible in Canada. and again I said engineers because engineers have high salaries in Canada so highly taxed and in Lebanon not highly taxed so you get more in your pocket there.

Originally Posted by Youchka

I was comparing my expenses with those of a friend who lives in one of the nice areas in California, well she was shocked to know that we have almost the same expenses, taking into consideration the insurances (car, health), apartment loan, kids schools, everyday's expenses like supermarket, mazout, fuel... we ended up having almost the same expense, when she makes more than 5 times more than I do.

Yep salaries in California are higher than Canada, and taxes lower so she might get shocked but you will get shocked if you compare with somebody from Quebec. The poster was comparing with Canada and he is from Montreal so I answered him for that part of the world, i didn't compare to California.

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

and salaries are better too, i am not talking about a guy who works in Sukleen but a an engineer with 10+ years of experience make more money in Lebanon than Canada, here taxes kill you when it comes to this.

That's not true at all Danny...

10+ years engineer get maximum 5000 $ per month ( Being a general manager of a whole department in a huge company) ( 60 000/year) in Lebanon whereas in Canada you begin with 50 000/year with 2 years of experience...

As for the taxes I agree with you, they are high in Canada, but everything is relative. Take into consideration the money you pay for insurance in Lebanon + the money you pay for your kids university + the money you need when you stop working after 60 + the money you need whenever you stop working in case you don't have work etc etc you'll find out that in Canada you're much more comfortable despite all the taxes you pay...

Thank you!!

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Armenian

That's not true at all Danny...

10+ years engineer get maximum 5000 $ per month ( Being a general manager of a whole department in a huge company) ( 60 000/year) in Lebanon whereas in Canada you begin with 50 000/year with 2 years of experience...

In canada 60,000/year is taxed!!!!! you end up with $30,000 max

In lebanon you get the $5,000/month safi!

[Armenian]

Originally Posted by Danny Z

In canada 60,000/year is taxed!!!!! you end up with $30,000 max

In lebanon you get the $5,000/month safi!

Danny,

1) I'm comparing a general manager to a newly graduate engineer

2) 50 000 in Quebec will leave you: 37 311 $ ( aka 3109$/month)

3) same work, same condition in Lebanon : 850$/month ( got this salary when I worked in the 2nd biggest engineering company in the middle east)

4) In Lebanon you pay 10 000$/year minimum for university--- In Quebec maximum 3000$

5) In lebanon you need money when you pass 60 in order to live and not be on the streets--- In Quebec the government pays you

6) In Lebanon, you have no income whenever you are put out of your work--- In Quebec the government pays you

7) In Lebanon you have to pay for your insurance--- In Quebec it's free

8) In Lebanon you pay double electricity and water bills compared to Quebec

9) In Lebanon you pay 12 times more for your cell phone bills compared to Quebec

10) See all of the above again and you'll understand what I mean...

Thank you!!

[Danny Z]

Originally Posted by Armenian

Danny,

1) I'm comparing a general manager to a newly graduate engineer

2) 50 000 in Quebec will leave you: 37 311 $ ( aka 3109$/month)

3) same work, same condition in Lebanon : 850$/month ( got this salary when I worked in the 2nd biggest engineering company in the middle east)

Not sure where you got that number from maybe you are right but i know 80,000 will net you $3,600 a month, maybe you are right, but the more you go higher the less you retain. That's why i was talking about 10 years experience, not new graduate, in 10 years in Quebec you don't get the equivalent of $5000 net, that's more than 120,000 a year.

Originally Posted by Armenian

4) In Lebanon you pay 10 000$/year minimum for university--- In Quebec maximum 3000$

Agree but you can also go to Lebanese university.

Originally Posted by Armenian

5) In lebanon you need money when you pass 60 in order to live and not be on the streets--- In Quebec the government pays you

6) In Lebanon, you have no income whenever you are put out of your work--- In Quebec the government pays you

The order of Engineers of Lebanon pays you too, and they are almost the same. You need RRSP to live after 60 in Canada because what they give is as much as the order of engineers in Beirut gives you ya3ni shi 500$

Originally Posted by Armenian

7) In Lebanon you have to pay for your insurance--- In Quebec it's free

Order again

Originally Posted by Armenian

8) In Lebanon you pay double electricity and water bills compared to Quebec

You don't have to heat as much as you heat in here and that's a fortune in the winter of Quebec, unless you live in those miserable building in St Laurent where the ceiling falls on the garage, the heating is included there.

Originally Posted by Armenian

9) In Lebanon you pay 12 times more for your cell phone bills compared to Quebec

That's not true, and even if it is, we are talking about 50$ a month difference maximum. Drink less beer in Quebec a draft costs 8$ in a bar, in there it cost 4,000LL

Originally Posted by Armenian

10) See all of the above again and you'll understand what I mean...

Thank you!!

It is not that much difference believe me