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Did you look at the chart?

I dont think Turkey has the highest salaries in the world
But for sure, Turkey's economy is in a much better shape than Lebanon's
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Taxe sur les carburants, où se situe la France ? < Pétrole - Enerzine.com

Lebanese are paying very little taxes comparing to other countries
Lebanese Prices:
1lit= 1370LL
Taxes+TVA= 600LL/lit = 0.28 euros
that makes about 45% of the price
we pay less taxes then Greece on the chart above
Why compare Lebanon with France and not with the US?
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Did you look at the chart?

I dont think Turkey has the highest salaries in the world
Then what about social services, prices of goods such as food or whatnot, and the cost of living as a whole? take ur pick...
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The problem in Lebanon is that your taxes are used to pay the interest of the debt. At least 60% of the Lebanese state income goes to the debt, while in Europe many countries use the gasoline taxes to infrastructure project.
you are right about this thing:

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La Taxe Intérieure de consommation sur les Produits Pétroliers – TIPP
La TIPP est un impôt auquel sont soumis les produits pétroliers et autres produits énergétiques mis en vente, utilisés ou destinés à être utilisés comme carburants ou combustibles de chauffage.
Article 265 du Code des douanes.

Elle s'applique :
- aux produits mis en vente ou destinés à être utilisés comme carburant pour moteur, comme additifs ou en vue d'accroître le volume final des carburants pour moteur,
- aux hydrocarbures mis en vente ou destinés à être utilisés comme combustible, à l'exception de la tourbe.
La liste des produits concernés est identique dans tous les Etats membres de l’Union Européenne.
Pour les produits déjà distribués dans un autre État membre, la taxe est exigible lors de leur réception en France.
Articles 265 du Code des douanes.

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Une partie du produit de la TIPP est désormais affectée aux départements et aux régions afin de financer les transferts de compétence opérés par les lois de 2003 et 2004 relatives à la décentralisation.
Loi n°2003-1200 du 18 décembre 2003 portant décentralisation en matière de revenu minimum d'insertion et créant un revenu minimum d'activité, JO du 19 décembre 2003.
Loi n° 2004-809 du 13 août 2004 modifiée relative aux libertés et responsabilités locales.

Chaque département reçoit une part du produit de la TIPP afin de financer deux de ses nouvelles compétences : le RMA (Revenu Minimum d'Activité) et l'ARS (Allocation de Revenu de Solidarité). Cette part est obtenue, pour l'ensemble des départements, par application d'une fraction du tarif de la TIPP aux quantités de carburants vendues sur l'ensemble du territoire national.
La fraction de tarif s'élève à :
- 13,02 € par hectolitre pour les supercarburants sans plomb,
- 8,67 € par hectolitre pour le gazole présentant un point d'éclair inférieur à 120 °C.
Article 59 de la loi de finances pour 2004 modifié par article 38 de la loi n° 2007-1822 du 24 décembre 2007 de finances pour 2008.

Chaque département reçoit ensuite un pourcentage de la part du produit de la TIPP. Ce pourcentage est fixé pour chaque département par les lois de finances.
Article 52 de la loi n°2004-1484 du 30 décembre 2004 de finances pour 2005 modifié par l’article 38 de la loi de finances pour 2008.

Les ressources attribuées aux régions au titre de la compensation des transferts de compétences sont également composées d'une part du produit de la TIPP. Cette part est obtenue, pour l'ensemble des régions par application d'une fraction du tarif de la TIPP aux quantités de carburants vendues chaque année sur l'ensemble du territoire national. Elle doit permettre d’obtenir un produit égal au droit à compensation de l'ensemble des régions.
Cette fraction de tarif est provisoirement fixée à :
- 1,11 € par hectolitre, pour les supercarburants sans plomb,
- 0,79 € par hectolitre, pour le gazole.
Article 52 de la loi n°2004-1484 du 30 décembre 2004 de finances pour 2005.

Chaque région reçoit ensuite un pourcentage de cette fraction de tarif. Pour chaque région ces pourcentages sont précisés par l’article 4 de la loi de finances rectificative pour 2005.
Article 52 de la loi n°2004-1484 du 30 décembre 2004 de finances pour 2005.
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That is in France
Does anyone have the info about Lebanon?
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Taxe sur les carburants, où se situe la France ? < Pétrole - Enerzine.com

Lebanese are paying very little taxes comparing to other countries
Lebanese Prices:
1lit= 1370LL
Taxes+TVA= 600LL/lit = 0.28 euros
that makes about 45% of the price
we pay less taxes then Greece on the chart above
Yesslamle ana,

In Greece I pay tax but
- I will never die at the entrance of the hospital
- I will have my education with any fees
- I will be in control to judge any responsibles
- I will not have 20 000 $ of debt for each of my chirldren
- I will have a secure and safe freeways and not a F..K one as in Lebanon in which every day I face my death
- I will be equal to the president and to any governer.
- I wil have my salary that is sufficiant to pay the transport, the housing, and my holidays coorectly
- I will have the option to take the public transport which is more comfortable than my private car, with several means: bus, subway, train, etc.

What have you in Lebanon from the above points?
In Greece my dear, the dogs live better than you and have more rights than you in Lebanon.
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Yesslamle ana,

In Greece I pay tax but
- I will never die at the entrance of the hospital
- I will have my education with any fees
- I will be in control to judge any responsibles
- I will not have 20 000 $ of debt for each of my chirldren
- I will be equal to the president and to any governer.
- I will have the option to take the public transport which is more comfortable than my private car, with several means: bus, subway, train, etc.

In Greece my dear, the dogs live better than you and have more rights than you in Lebanon.
Tesslamleh inta

In Greece:
- they didnt have 15 years of war
- they werent occupied for another 15 years by the lovely neighbours
- they werent bombarded savagely by the other neighbours
- they were hugely helped by their neighbours since in became part of the CEE

If dogs in Greece live better then people in Lebanon, try to learn from Greece how to fix your country instead of talking nonesense
If you want to make something good, start by finding out where is the taxes going in Lebanon
that will help out in this thread instead of just wasting bandwidth
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Tesslamleh inta

In Greece:
- they didnt have 15 years of war
- they werent occupied for another 15 years by the lovely neighbours
- they werent bombarded savagely by the other neighbours
- they were hugely helped by their neighbours since in became part of the CEE
Eh don't compare Lebnon then to Greece.

Ya tesslamle enta, who from your allies were also allies to Syria when this latter occupied/bombarded Lebanon? Who did increase the debt of Lebanon? Isn't Harere plans? Why are you allies with him and why are you his son black slaves?

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If dogs in Greece live better then people in Lebanon, try to learn from Greece how to fix your country instead of talking nonesense
No sense? LOL
Voting thiefs like Harere and CO is the NOSENSE.

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If you want to make something good, start by finding out where is the taxes going in Lebanon
that will help out in this thread instead of just wasting bandwidth
If I want to help Lebanon, I should start by throwing out Harere and his KSA from the control in Lebanon.

Don't ask me to change whereas you preferred to be a black slave to Harere projects in Lebanon

You will say you are independant? LOL I like that, but you are arrived to the parliament due to Harere vote everywhere in Zahlee, Tripoli and Meten.

The only think to do by yourself is to say : Ta7affazna.
ALLAH Y7AFFZKON (ask Carlos Eddie for the translation)
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Tesslamleh inta

In Greece:
- they didnt have 15 years of war
- they werent occupied for another 15 years by the lovely neighbours
- they werent bombarded savagely by the other neighbours
- they were hugely helped by their neighbours since in became part of the CEE

If dogs in Greece live better then people in Lebanon, try to learn from Greece how to fix your country instead of talking nonesense
If you want to make something good, start by finding out where is the taxes going in Lebanon
that will help out in this thread instead of just wasting bandwidth
You are right on all points. No one can deny how much harm on the financial level the Syrian occupation, the destructive Israeli wars...
Unfortunately, we also can't blame ONLY those facts to the lousy situation we are in. The economic reforms were supposedly handled by Hariri and Siniora, and whether some like to agree or not, it is the theft and corruption inside our governments that led us to what we are in today. No one tell me after the billions spent on electricity, we are still where we are today. No one tells me that the airport we have has actually cost what they said it did.

Hariri's fortune has increased, but also every single aid he has around him. I know people close to Hariri who are employees (not the highest ranking ones) at his different organizations who are buying 7 and 8 million dollars apartments.

I have worked with one of Hariri's right hand in communication and that person admitted to me, although denying that Hariri has made a penny out of being PM, that billions were spent on bribes to have the work done. This is basically how the Hariri people justify the billions gone.

Finally ya Roch, ina country such as Lebanon, as small as it is, can you imagine what you could have done with 100 billion dollars? Just try to imagine.
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Blame Blame Blame....

I am sorry, I was trying to work on a serious discussion here

Its so easy to find the articles that cover the taxes in France... its impossible to find anything in Lebanon

If you like to go along in the discussion, please help in this matter

otherwise, put the tittle of your post as "BLAMING HARIRI"
so i avoid reading it
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Its so easy to find the articles that cover the taxes in France... its impossible to find anything in Lebanon
Exactement, j'avais essayé de rechercher ça mais je n'ai rien trouvé. En théorie, tout dépend de la loi de finances qui est votée au Parlement et qui fixe le budget recettes / dépenses de l'Etat.

Basiquement, il faut faire une différence entre les impôts (sur les revenus / plus-values / TVA) et les taxes fiscales et parafiscales. Les premiers ne peuvent recevoir d'affectation que dans la loi de finances chaque année (et donc, l'affectation change ou peut changer d'une année sur l'autre). Les seconds (les taxes) reçoivent une affectation précise - c'est une sorte de dérogation au principe suivant lequel la nature, l'importance et l'affectation des contributions du peuple sont déterminées chaque année par la loi de finances votée par les représentants du peuple.

La différence entre impôt et taxe peut paraître subtile mais existe bien juridiquement (c'est par exemple une erreur de considérer la TVA comme une taxe, s'agissant en droit d'un impôt en dépit de son appellation).

S'agissant des sommes prélevées par l'Etat libanais sur la vente d'essence, je ne connais pas la nature juridique / fiscale du prélèvement (taxe ou impôt ?). S'il s'agit d'une taxe, en principe, le texte qui l'a créé prévoit clairement son affectation.

Pour faire court, je pense que le problème au Liban est qu'on ne vote pas chaque année la loi de finances mais qu'on utilise la technique du "treizième provisoire" - utilisée très fréquemment en France durant la IVème république. Du coup, et sans parler du caractère scandaleux sur un plan juridique et démocractique de cette situation, nous n'avons pas une vision claire sur les affectations des dépenses de l'Etat - ni un débat parlementaire convenable s'agissant des affectations prioritaires...

Ceci dit, je ne rentrerais pas dans le débat des responsabilités politiques à ce sujet mais bon, je n'en pense pas moins (je pense à la majorité dans son ensemble, pas à une personne en particulier).
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