Franjiyeh - Gemayel meeting

[hiptanaka]

Originally Posted by MockingBird

stop your immagination for a while and think what everybody needs to do to get out of the mess we are in

someone else's political perspectives are figments of the imagination, but yours are the be-all, end-all, reality? um ok

Originally Posted by MockingBird

by the way it wasn't saadoun and jumblatt that do magic

jumblatt not really, but saadoun had plenty of tricks up his sleeve. 750 million of them, in fact.

Originally Posted by MockingBird

it was the alliance with HA that made FPM lose the elections
and if you are still denying this fact or disregarding it -
you will wake up and smell the black coffee in 2013 - no sugar

*yawn*. the fact that you despise FPM's alliance with Hezbollah doesnt make said alliance the reason for the loss. It had some sway with the independent/former fringe FPMers, but to the FPM regulars it was either a point of having faith in GMA's stances or being a nuisance that they were willing to overlook in light of the party's vision. it definitely, however, affected bandwagon FPMers like yourself that have nightly wet dreams of a partitioned lebanon (which is funny, because FPM never advocated it).

Originally Posted by MockingBird

jens 3atil followers cannot smell - jensoun 3atil - they never wake up

funny you refer to them in the third person

[MockingBird]

Originally Posted by hiptanaka

someone else's political perspectives are figments of the imagination, but yours are the be-all, end-all, reality? um ok



jumblatt not really, but saadoun had plenty of tricks up his sleeve. 750 million of them, in fact.



*yawn*. the fact that you despise FPM's alliance with Hezbollah doesnt make said alliance the reason for the loss. It had some sway with the independent/former fringe FPMers, but to the FPM regulars it was either a point of having faith in GMA's stances or being a nuisance that they were willing to overlook in light of the party's vision. it definitely, however, affected bandwagon FPMers like yourself that have nightly wet dreams of a partitioned lebanon (which is funny, because FPM never advocated it).



funny you refer to them in the third person

very funny!! hiptanaka?!
cultural differences are an important factor - especially in a secterian country like lebanon -
this is what 14th feb christians worked on and they somehow succeeded in doing it in 2009- unfortunately a majority of FPMers are still denying it or searching for other reasons like expats , heritage, money, etc...

I think it's the right choice that christian have alliances with chi3as in lebanon (due to their demographic distribution) BUT for cultural reasons if you want to make an alliance with a RELIGIOUS/ARMED party like HA IT SHOULD BE VERY WELL STUDIED IN THE CONTENT AND FORM.

FPM leadership treat their alliance with HA the same as their alliance with Tashnag!!!
YOU CAN NEVER SELL HA TO LEBANESE CHRISTIANS !!!
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN DISTANT ALLIANCE NOT A LOVE STORY!!
each time GMA gets on TV he talks about HA more than about his own party

[J_Raad1450]

Originally Posted by ElieCedar

all I can tell you is that Michel Mouawad lost by ~900 votes (less than 1%). Guess who is behind Michel in Zogharta-Zaweieh??

Guys ... the main point is that the Christians should be united, at least on broad survival and nationalistic issues!! where is Camille Chamoun, Sleiman Franjieh and Charles Malek when we need them??
Elie

In prior election 1992-2000, Mouwaad had the same amount of votes (excluding expats and "unatural" spike in Sunnis voters)...you are truly delusional to say Lebanese Forces are behind Mouwaad. It is the other way around.

YouTube - result zgharta otv

enjoy

[MarcoPolo10452]

Originally Posted by needfortruth

Frangieh is Pro-FPM, but before that he is Pro-Christian. The man accepted to reconcile with Geagea in 2005 based on a request from Aoun in order to bring the Christians back together. It was Geagea or some 'brain' around him who managed to abort the monumental reconciliation move by Frangieh. Thus, 'rodi el 2atil w ma rodi el 2atil'. After that, Frangieh refused to reconcile with Geagea except under the leadership of Aoun in order not to undermine Aoun's position, contrary to Geagea's and all the 14ners intentions from such reconciliation.

Last time I checked, it was Frangieh who refused to reconcile with Geagea.

I always found it weird that Frangieh reconciled with Hobeika and the militamen who killed his father but never with Geagea (who didn't even make it to Ehden).

[MarcoPolo10452]

As for reconcilation, I think all Christians are for it. Lest we forget what a force we were in 1982 when most of us supported Bachir Gemayel and we figured some reform was finally going to happen. The FPM/LF/Kataeb are all originally from the same camp and there is no reason why Marada should not join in as well with dialogue. It only benefits the Christians in a country where too many Christians are impatient, nervous, and seeking the easy way out of their problems (visa to Canada and never returning).

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by MarcoPolo10452

Last time I checked, it was Frangieh who refused to reconcile with Geagea.

I always found it weird that Frangieh reconciled with Hobeika and the militamen who killed his father but never with Geagea (who didn't even make it to Ehden).

Review your last checking and get your facts straight. Franjieh was never against the reconciliation with Geagea except when he felt, right before the elections, that this was to be used for elections reason, PURELY. He never said I am against it, he just said that I am for it AFTER the elections.

Amd do not find it weird or anything, it was always Geagea the criminal who should actually beg Franjieh for his pardon givent he harm he inflicted on him, that is if he truly as he claims repented and turned into a St Charbel in prison, and instead of that, since he came out of prison, all he did is refuse to actually do it. The first HUGE mistake he did was when he went out of prison and did not accept Franjieh's call, that is a HUGE faux, pas, as huge as the one Saad and family did when GMA came back to Lebanon and they didn't meet him at the tomb of Hariri. Those mistakes, although someone would say are not THAT important, are very important, and leave big scars.

[Greg Davis]

Lets not get too worked up about this topic because a reconciliation will happen in due cause.

I agreed with Franjeih when he refused reconciliation before the elections, because it could have affected him adversely polically, and it didn't appear genuine because of its timing.

Now that the elections are over and the territorial boundaries have been demarked, the only way forward for both the Marada and the LF is by reconciling.

Their personal grudge is hurting their supporter, and the sooner they put this behind them the earlier they can move forward in building the nation they both participated in demolishing.

[MarcoPolo10452]

Originally Posted by Youchka

Review your last checking and get your facts straight. Franjieh was never against the reconciliation with Geagea except when he felt, right before the elections, that this was to be used for elections reason, PURELY. He never said I am against it, he just said that I am for it AFTER the elections.

Amd do not find it weird or anything, it was always Geagea the criminal who should actually beg Franjieh for his pardon givent he harm he inflicted on him, that is if he truly as he claims repented and turned into a St Charbel in prison, and instead of that, since he came out of prison, all he did is refuse to actually do it. The first HUGE mistake he did was when he went out of prison and did not accept Franjieh's call, that is a HUGE faux, pas, as huge as the one Saad and family did when GMA came back to Lebanon and they didn't meet him at the tomb of Hariri. Those mistakes, although someone would say are not THAT important, are very important, and leave big scars.

What did Geagea have to gain from reconcilation? Your excuse that Frangieh didn't want to do it before the elections proved false. All he wanted was an end to the bad blood between the two, Frangieh was going to stay in March 8 and Geagea in March 14. Geagea did exactly what the Christians wanted, and Frangieh 3ad ma kan zaki rejected.

Anyway, it would've been Frangieh who gained, because according to the 2009 Election Results, Geagea is the most popular Christian leader in the North.

In 2005 when Geagea was released from prison, what reason did he have to speak with Frangieh? The Frangieh family was the main Syrian ally for decades, Sleiman was the most consistently pro-Syrian whereas Geagea was the most consistently anti-Syrian. There's an obvious reason why a man sentenced to jail for being an outspoken critic of the occupier that put him in jail wasn't going to talk with their biggest agent.

[sanabel]

Originally Posted by MockingBird

LF made avery strong showing in the north in 2009
they won in batroun, bsharre, koura and had very good numbers in zgharta
unfortunately SG > SF + FPM in the north

Off coure SG is bigger in the north ...if i will have 27 shattered airoplanes landed in Lebanon in the last 3 days before the election ...I will be bigger than SG myself....

[Shuyu3i]

Originally Posted by MarcoPolo10452

What did Geagea have to gain from reconcilation? Your excuse that Frangieh didn't want to do it before the elections proved false. All he wanted was an end to the bad blood between the two, Frangieh was going to stay in March 8 and Geagea in March 14. Geagea did exactly what the Christians wanted, and Frangieh 3ad ma kan zaki rejected.

Anyway, it would've been Frangieh who gained, because according to the 2009 Election Results, Geagea is the most popular Christian leader in the North.

In 2005 when Geagea was released from prison, what reason did he have to speak with Frangieh? The Frangieh family was the main Syrian ally for decades, Sleiman was the most consistently pro-Syrian whereas Geagea was the most consistently anti-Syrian. There's an obvious reason why a man sentenced to jail for being an outspoken critic of the occupier that put him in jail wasn't going to talk with their biggest agent.

BUT GMA is the most POPULAR leader in the WHOLE OF LEBANON.