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Originally Posted by Chaos

One explanation of this meeting is a planified action between Walid Jumblat and Gemayel despite the appearance of Jumblat criticizing and insulting Gemayel everyday.
Jumblat developps good relations with SHN, and Gemayel the same with Franjieh.
The ultimate goal is to isolate GMA....and by the way Geagea.
As after Taef....the two main christian leaders where eliminated one in Jail and the other in France.
These two leaders (and their disciples) have demesurate egos and prefers to be slaughtered and all christian with them and not to reconciliate even on survival aims.
History is repeating itself.

I have been reading this thread for some times.
My only commnents:
1. Don't give such an event a size not related to it! They met, and then what?
2. It makes me sad to read some talking that those 2 are after FPM supporters. As if my soul is for sale! It is not sad but a pity to carry such a logic. An FPMer will never move along with Gemayel and while he supports Frangieh that doesn't mean he will move to be a Marada! This is totally misunderstanding FPM all together.
3. FPM is not in a coma . I strongly believe that past the finalization of the government, things will be moving internally. We need to be a bit patient as what we have gone through for the last 3 years was enormous and while the results were good they were not Excellent and up to our dreams.
4. Another thing that makes me sad is when I listen to people saying that now SHN or HA are moving closer to WJ/PSP then GMA/FPM will be aside. This is not understanding the whole relation built up between both parties.

I read a lot in all threads and I guess many here are being a bit as we say in arabic " Faylasouf"

MockingBird

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Originally Posted by Dark Angel

all of us, not just FPM, have a lot to lose if the credit for this reconciliation goes to sami gemayel, we'll be set 5 decades back, and we'll be back to the same old phalanges formula; the outcome of which is very obvious.

why is FPM in such a deep coma?

FPM will keep on losig if christian reconciliation is not done
GMA is in great position to get the credit
Sami cannot do it
There are a lot more in common between FPM / Kataeb / Marada and LF than with FM amal and HA
IT'S A MUST and its time to do it

hannaalsayssa

sami & SF meeting was mainly directed against sg....
nadim is on his way for a meeting too.

NOTHING IS DIRECTED AGAINST FPM in a way form or shape.
SF has been in contcat with gemayels from 05 and beyond.
gemayel realizes that sg is their arch enemy and not FPM.

what will be the second move and if this move will develop further between SF and gemayel and than us, for now i believe it is too early to tell.

we need to have a govt and to see how it is formed and whether mou3arad will be there or not.

sa3doun is trying seriously to open a new page with SF, not to move himaway from FPM ( he knows he can not), but he realized that in the north there are two forces on the ground ( sg, SF) with the latter more palatable and more christian cred that the first.
also outside bacharre in the north SF is way more popular than sg.

all this is too early to see how it will lead.
my personal hunch, no where.just meetings for the next 2-3 years.
talk-talk.

TayyarBeino

سياسة - النائب حبيب: نستغرب هفوات بعض السياسيين
في الزيارات التي يقومون بها

وطنية- 5/7/2009 أكد النائب فريد حبيب خلال العشاء السنوي لمكتب القوات اللبنانية في برسا الكورة، في حضور المهندس نبيل موسى ممثلا نائب مجلس النواب فريد مكاري ومنسق القوات اللبنانية في الكورة المحامي سيمون حرقص وحشد من القوات اللبنانية، أن "إستمراريتنا تعود الى أننا متضامنون والقوات اللبنانية باقية بنضالها"، منتقدا الكلام الذي صدر عن تيار المردة بعد زيارة النائب سامي الجميل الى بنشعي، وقال: "الفرح يغمرني لأنني أحس أننا في أكثر من لقاء ووجودنا مع بعضنا دليل على استمراريتنا، ما من شعب تمكن من تخطي الأزمات ونزع غبار الحرب إلا الشعب المتضامن المحب وأنتم خير دليل على ذلك".

اضاف: "القوات باقية لأن نضالكم مستمر وأرواح شهداءنا لن تذهب هدرا طالما نحن متحدين. وما قمتم به في 7 حزيران أكبر دليل على ذلك. لقد جعلتم المراقبين المحليين والأجانب متفاجئين بالنتائج التي حققتموها. كثيرون يسألون كيف أن الكورة قوات ولماذا؟ نريد أن نقول لهم أن كل من يتصرف كما تصرف أبناء الكورة الأحرار في هذه المرحلة يكون قواتيا. لأن القوات وجدت دائما للدفاع عن لبنان ووجوده ولأن لبنان كان ولا يزال العنوان الأساس لكل لحظة من مراحل النضال".

وتابع: "المناسبة اليوم هي إحدى نشاطات بلدة برسا الكورانية التي أعطت الكثير، لذلك لا بد من تحية شكر لكل أبنائها وخصوصا لرفاقنا في القوات اللبنانية وللهيئة النسائية الناشطة برئاسة "مدام عضيمي" التي قامت بجهود كبيرة على مختلف المستويات الصحية والثقافية والإجتماعية".

أضاف النائب حبيب: "قضيتنا لا تنتهي هنا ومسيرة نضالنا طويلة ومستمرة واليوم علينا العمل أكثر ليكون لنصرنا طعم. والمطلوب الحفاظ على نكهة هذا النصر من خلال تطلعنا دائما للأفضل ولتحسين كل شيء وأعاهدكم باستثمار موقعي كنائب متابعة كافة قضاياكم وقضايا الوطن بإيمان وثبات حتى تحقيق وجود وطن آمن يتمتع أهله بالحرية والكرامة وينال حقوقه كما يجب. تعودنا دائما الصبر وإن شاء الله ستكون الأيام المقبلة خير على الجميع".

وختم مستغربا "هفوات بعض السياسيين خلال زيارات يقومون بها"، صديقنا وحبيبنا الشيخ سامي الجميل الذي نكن له كل محبة وتقدير كان له اليوم زيارة ولقاء في بنشعي وبعدها صدر كلام ومديح ممن يمثل النظام الذي قتل الشيخ بيار وأنطوان غانم وكل رفاقنا في 14 آذار"، لذلك أقول لك يا شيخ سامي أنك تخطيت الكورة لأننا نحبك ونتمنى لك كل التوفيق، فالقوات خرجت من رحم الكتائب فهل يجوز أن نسمع بعد زيارتك أن هناك فريق من 14 آذار أوادم . نحن جميعا أوادم ولسنا بحاجة لأخذ شهادة من أحد. وقد انتصرنا بإرادة أبناء الكورة الصلبة، انتصرنا لأن عندنا إيمان راسخ بهذا الوطن المؤسس على صخر وأبواب الجحيم لا تقوى عليه ولا على كورتنا التي ستبقى عاصية على كل مستبد".

MockingBird

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Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

sami & SF meeting was mainly directed against sg....
nadim is on his way for a meeting too.

NOTHING IS DIRECTED AGAINST FPM in a way form or shape.
SF has been in contcat with gemayels from 05 and beyond.
gemayel realizes that sg is their arch enemy and not FPM.

what will be the second move and if this move will develop further between SF and gemayel and than us, for now i believe it is too early to tell.

we need to have a govt and to see how it is formed and whether mou3arad will be there or not.

sa3doun is trying seriously to open a new page with SF, not to move himaway from FPM ( he knows he can not), but he realized that in the north there are two forces on the ground ( sg, SF) with the latter more palatable and more christian cred that the first.
also outside bacharre in the north SF is way more popular than sg.

all this is too early to see how it will lead.
my personal hunch, no where.just meetings for the next 2-3 years.
talk-talk.

LF made avery strong showing in the north in 2009
they won in batroun, bsharre, koura and had very good numbers in zgharta
unfortunately SG > SF + FPM in the north

>Watani<

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark angel

all of us, not just fpm, have a lot to lose if the credit for this reconciliation goes to sami gemayel, we'll be set 5 decades back, and we'll be back to the same old phalanges formula; the outcome of which is very obvious.

why is fpm in such a deep coma?

لا أظن أن جعجع يسمح بحصول هذا الشيء وسامي لديه مثال على ذلك أخاه بيار
ما تطرحه مهمّ جداً وهو ما دور التيار الوطني الحرّ في كل ما يجري؟ الكوما يعني الحياد والتخليّ عن دورهم السياسيّ في لبنان. هل هذا هو ثمرة التضحيّات؟

TayyarBeino

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vegojimbo

Quote:

Originally Posted by MockingBird

LF made avery strong showing in the north in 2009
they won in batroun, bsharre, koura and had very good numbers in zgharta
unfortunately SG > SF + FPM in the north

So now the entire loyalist factions in the North are reduced to LF? How very accurate.

The loyalists won in Batroun thanks to Harb's fame/connections & expats>> it's LF's win.
The loyalists won in Koura thanks to Makary's fame/connections & expats>> it's LF's win.
The loyalists' results in Zgharta are thanks to Mouawwad legacy & expats>> it's LF's merit.

Typical! LF practices the same "shoumouli" mentality it accuses its opponents of.

Placebo

Quote:

Originally Posted by MockingBird

LF made avery strong showing in the north in 2009
they won in batroun, bsharre, koura and had very good numbers in zgharta
unfortunately SG > SF + FPM in the north

when talking about the north, please do not disregard AKKAR.

thank you.

ElieCedar

Quote:

Originally Posted by MockingBird

LF made avery strong showing in the north in 2009
they won in batroun, bsharre, koura and had very good numbers in zgharta
unfortunately SG > SF + FPM in the north

Agree with you with a slight correction LF > SF + FPM + Kataeb :-)

Any Christian-Christian rapproachment is a good thing for Lebanon and for the Christians. That's our Batrak's ever sounding advice. We like Sami and he operates with outmost care for the Christian interests overall. If the Kateab provide the bridge for an Marada-LF reconciliation, then we're all for it. I have always said that historically the LF and Marada (pre-Franjieh) have common roots and goals. Ehden's massacre was a grave political mistake committed by the Kataeb party in its bid to control the north in the 70s. Simply, they over-reacted without properly accounting for the reation and the Syrian plan....but that's history now.
Elie