FPM, Signs of Significant Failures!?

[Youchka]

Originally Posted by ohyeah

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خصوم عون يدفّعونه ثمن توزير صهره سياسياً وإعلامي

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I dunno where the author got her info, but what I have been witnessing among many of the FPM cadres who used to have issues with Gebran, is that it consolidated Gebran's role more, and because of the baseless campaign against him, they are today keen on seeing him minister more than ever.

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by GeorgeY

taiib who knows best?

Many people know very very very well.
Some people know even more.

Aoun is great leader, a great strategist, but he doesn't know everything dear.

That's what you have to start realizing.
And if you think that Michel Aoun is the only person people will listen to, then 3awad bi salemtak enta w FPM, since after Aoun nothing will be left.

[TayyaRevolution]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan;10. 10566

Only he who knows best, knows best and not only does he know best, he is the bestest.

Joseph, I will give you a personal task.

Since you claim to be an "objective" person, go on to every other political forum and start threads critcizing their leader, and party principles and values. Go on. And please send us the links when you are done.

Otherwise, your nothing but a 24/7 FPM-basher. You know the Aoun-phobic types. The ones who breathe and smell Aoun. The ones who go to bed thinking of Aoun. The ones who wake up thinking of Aoun. The ones who blame Aoun was all ills in their lives.

Your claim to be objective and independent is like saying the grass is purple.

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by The Jade

So what I understand is simple here:

We should NOT criticize the leaders (heads of parties, deputies, ministers, PMs, presidents, etc) because whatever they did MIGHT be good in the future.

When should we start the mou7assabé ?
After 1 year ? 2 years ? 5 years ? 10 years ? 100 years ?
And who sets these periods ?

Your problem is that you're always giving Michel Aoun the benefit of the doubt.
The FPM would've never been what it is if it wasn't for the people who supported it.
So, the party is NOTHING without its militants and its supporters.

And your problem is that you think that the FPM would've been nothing if it wasn't for Michel Aoun, yet you tend to forget that in order to have a party you need supporters and when the latters start asking questions, the leader should listen and act.

first of all i said only founder mish leader and PM and i dont what

and yes this is why FPM began. ma fi FPM without GMA (or any other man that would have done what he did during his time (shi sar and cannot be altered) and ppl stuck with GMA for different reasons bass they stuck behind one man and now building a party with goals and stuff. GMA or FPM didnt discover baroud and i trully believe that LF and Kataeb also want to fix lebanon same plan as FPM (anyone can copy and paste from the other) bass why is there FPM? why is there LF?
ino why r LF still a hizb? why SG is still their leader and ppl will vote him again. bif8am minak ino ma fi ghairo?

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by TAYYAR AL AOUNI

Joseph, I will give you a personal task.

Since you claim to be an "objective" person, go on to every other political forum and start threads critcizing their leader, and party principles and values. Go on. And please send us the links when you are done.

Otherwise, your nothing but a 24/7 FPM-basher. You know the Aoun-phobic types. The ones who breathe and smell Aoun. The ones who go to bed thinking of Aoun. The ones who wake up thinking of Aoun. The ones who blame Aoun was all ills in their lives.

Your claim to be objective and independent is like saying the grass is purple.

Dude,
the best way the shut the guy up (yes he's annoying, but he's not always wrong) is to show him that the FPM is not another lebanese party.

But unfortunately people are being dragged into useless battles instead of working on themselves (may it be on the forum or in real life).
Instead of wasting time answering the dude (and if anyone could tell me what good would it make to answer him, I would be glad) concentrate on working on yourself and the party you need to be building

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by GeorgeY

first of all i said only founder mish leader and PM and i dont what

and yes this is why FPM began. ma fi FPM without GMA (or any other man that would have done what he did during his time (shi sar and cannot be altered) and ppl stuck with GMA for different reasons bass they stuck behind one man and now building a party with goals and stuff. GMA or FPM didnt discover baroud and i trully believe that LF and Kataeb also want to fix lebanon same plan as FPM (anyone can copy and paste from the other) bass why is there FPM? why is there LF?
ino why r LF still a hizb? why SG is still their leader and ppl will vote him again. bif8am minak ino ma fi ghairo?

Founder or not, people make mistakes. Many founders were kicked out of their parties for not doing the job or for losing touch.

Ba3den if you really knew the particularity between the parties you're realize that the LF/Kataeb have a very different economical and social plan to Lebanon than the FPM.

The LF is more of a right wing capitalist party, that believes in the state's authority, whereas the FPM is more of centrist party that prefers to merge both state and individual efforts to build a country.

Their economical policies are very different.

On another note, why are you comparing the FPM to the LF ?
If you want to compare the party at least do it to a better party, not one like the LF.
PS: I don't care why Geagea is still the head of the party, it only shows that it's the same as any other formation in the country.

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Many people know very very very well.
Some people know even more.

Aoun is great leader, a great strategist, but he doesn't know everything dear.

That's what you have to start realizing.
And if you think that Michel Aoun is the only person people will listen to, then 3awad bi salemtak enta w FPM, since after Aoun nothing will be left.

ya3ameh wllah ma3ak 8ak w fi ktir azka min ba3id. bass einstein wasnt the leader of the planet bass because he knows better or more

again i am only concentrating on one point ino if GMA said a "100% lie" ppl will believe him on my "100% honesty". this is human nature else there will be no politics but a set of facts ppl listen to and that is it

an example of what u r saying has already been done hizb el taghiir he broke of FPM bass shou sar? did anyone listen to him or follow him?

mish isit ino khallas we need to put GMA aside the story is that he will stay head of FPM (at least in my opinion) till the end after him (and here i am hoping) there will be democratic elections and ALL FPM will accept new president else sa3ita 3awade bi salmtek inta w FPM

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Founder or not, people make mistakes. Many founders were kicked out of their parties for not doing the job or for losing touch.

Ba3den if you really knew the particularity between the parties you're realize that the LF/Kataeb have a very different economical and social plan to Lebanon than the FPM.

The LF is more of a right wing capitalist party, that believes in the state's authority, whereas the FPM is more of centrist party that prefers to merge both state and individual efforts to build a country.

Their economical policies are very different.

On another note, why are you comparing the FPM to the LF ?
If you want to compare the party at least do it to a better party, not one like the LF.
PS: I don't care why Geagea is still the head of the party, it only shows that it's the same as any other formation in the country.

i didnt go through their political agenda both FPM and LF and i just mentioned LF cause it is closest "competitor" iza baddak to FPM
w iza baddak aktar min 8eik before all the economical and social agendas lets have a country first because all i see is we different federal states and this is where i am against GMA in that he talks in the name of "christians" but it is a different issue and doesnt change the fact i stated before that ppl will listen to him

[Youchka]

Franjieh:
قال: "لنقل شيئا واضحا وانا اقولها للمرة الاولى، ان الجنرال عون لم يكن يطالبنا اساسا بجبران باسيل ولكن عندما اصبح عدم توزير جبران باسيل يشكل طعنة او كسرة للجنرال عون، وعندما جعلوا من جبران باسيل قصة يريدون من خلالها تحطيم التيار الوطني الحر والجنرال، فبتنا الآن نحن لا نقبل بعدم توزير جبران باسيل".

اضاف النائب فرنجية: "بدأ الجنرال عون يطالب ويصر على توزير باسيل منذ نحو اسبوع وهو لم يدخل اساسا في الاسماء، ولكن عندما ظهرت مقولة لن نقبل بجبران باسيل فاصبح الوضع وكأنه اذا لم يتم توزير جبران باسيل فان ذلك يعتبر كسرة للتيار الوطني الحر وللجنرال عون لذلك اصبح جبران باسيل مطلبا للمعارضة ولكن في الاساس لم نطرح جبران باسيل".

This is exactly what I am talking about. Now Gebran became a request for the whole opposition and even more inside FPM.

[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by Youchka

Franjieh:
قال: "لنقل شيئا واضحا وانا اقولها للمرة الاولى، ان الجنرال عون لم يكن يطالبنا اساسا بجبران باسيل ولكن عندما اصبح عدم توزير جبران باسيل يشكل طعنة او كسرة للجنرال عون، وعندما جعلوا من جبران باسيل قصة يريدون من خلالها تحطيم التيار الوطني الحر والجنرال، فبتنا الآن نحن لا نقبل بعدم توزير جبران باسيل".

اضاف النائب فرنجية: "بدأ الجنرال عون يطالب ويصر على توزير باسيل منذ نحو اسبوع وهو لم يدخل اساسا في الاسماء، ولكن عندما ظهرت مقولة لن نقبل بجبران باسيل فاصبح الوضع وكأنه اذا لم يتم توزير جبران باسيل فان ذلك يعتبر كسرة للتيار الوطني الحر وللجنرال عون لذلك اصبح جبران باسيل مطلبا للمعارضة ولكن في الاساس لم نطرح جبران باسيل".

This is exactly what I am talking about. Now Gebran became a request for the whole opposition and even more inside FPM.

That's what I am talking about too!!!!! A little late but that is exactly what is needed. Aoun should not be the one having to carry the defense and being put in a weak position as if he is defending his son-in-law in some kind of a feudal dispute, when in fact Bassil proved to be an excellent minister. We need more powerful statements such as these from within FPM too.