FPM, Signs of Significant Failures!?

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Ok so now that we've acknowledged that Aoun made a mistake, min baddo yi 7assebo ?

The need of having a head of party and a committee elected by the party members is crucial here, since the elected people would have to get back to the people whenever they make a certain move.

Do you think that anyone could tell Aoun that he made a mistake ?
Even if anyone did, why would he listen to them ?

I'm sure that many people told him not go for it, still he did it.

THAT'S the real problem in the FPM, ma fi mou7assabé, and noone can impose anything on anyone, especially when such a big mistake is made.

And as Superduper has said, the dude needs to rest and let a media committee take care of these situations. When Aoun first came back to Lebanon, whenever he was on TV, the country used to stop to listen to him, now he's on TV at least twice a week and this is becoming annoying.

Why should he be the one making a statement after the weekly meetings ?
Why isn't it another MP ? It was like that before, why did it change ?

I'm also sure that someone suggested it to the general, but did he listen ?
And why ?
Does he know everything ? Aren't there people better than him in certain fields ?
The guy is an excellent strategist, but on the media level, he's not as good as people (or himself) think he is.

Can anyone answer any of these questions ?

ya3ame walla kharib 8el balad!!!!

i wanna agree for you for a while that what u stated is true taiib this too perfect i love perfection bass ino ktir 8eiki

first u ask of GMA mou7asabe; give me an example of any political system whether democratic, communist , or whatever that the founder was asked anything. whereas i can give plenty of opposites
democratically or republican if u want did any of the founders of the USA get "mou7asabe"? did they fight civil wars and where they "mou7asabe"? did they fight "loosing" battles? for God's sake they fought their mother country!!! "give me liberty or give me death"? shou sar fiyoun? they have statues for them bass it doesnt mean that it is correct to kill ur own countrymen or even their mother country they could have peacefully gotten peace (in the point of view of M14ers)
communists did anyone one ask why Lenin through out trotsky and later killed him? etc...

now who told u Aoun made mistakes? isnt it that end justify the means?
what are mistakes by defintion? mistakes are a point of view if u see it as a mistake might happen to be later the best thing that ever happened. by the way discovery of fire was a mistake iza baddak

i am not defending or attacking GMA it is just that this is politics and moreover this is Lebanon, and if u r afraid to loose more popularity fa dont worry about it cause the funny thing is lebanese ppl forget after 4 days fa kif after 4 years

Why should he be the one making a statement after the weekly meetings ?
Why isn't it another MP ? It was like that before, why did it change ?

what does it matter loosing popularity? ppl that love GMA will love him and those who dont will hate him more or might find some sense in their minds and realize the truth
if ur only problem is who makes the speech fa let it be what is decided. who cares

I'm also sure that someone suggested it to the general, but did he listen ?
And why ?

shou 3arafak? and if u know someone who suggested it ask him why GMA didnt approve

Does he know everything ? Aren't there people better than him in certain fields ?
The guy is an excellent strategist, but on the media level, he's not as good as people (or himself) think he is.

ino if GMA stops appearing on the media u will be happy?
ya3ameh we r living the foundation of a party it is not like the movies or ma ba3rif where u come up with those things
the founders are exactly what they r named "founders". most ppl that have joined FPM or tayyar or maba3rif shou joined cause they either like GMA or neutral towards him. u cant be FPM if u hate GMA but love FPM, fassirly this iza mish mazbouta?

after GMA there will be the things that u r talking about ino the leader should not speak because we will loose popularity stuff bass now it cannot be. the ppl stood behind GMA cause he represents to them something each one in a different matter

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by GeorgeY

ya3ame walla kharib 8el balad!!!!

i wanna agree for you for a while that what u stated is true taiib this too perfect i love perfection bass ino ktir 8eiki

first u ask of GMA mou7asabe; give me an example of any political system whether democratic, communist , or whatever that the founder was asked anything. whereas i can give plenty of opposites
democratically or republican if u want did any of the founders of the USA get "mou7asabe"? did they fight civil wars and where they "mou7asabe"? did they fight "loosing" battles? for God's sake they fought their mother country!!! "give me liberty or give me death"? shou sar fiyoun? they have statues for them bass it doesnt mean that it is correct to kill ur own countrymen or even their mother country they could have peacefully gotten peace (in the point of view of M14ers)
communists did anyone one ask why Lenin through out trotsky and later killed him? etc...

now who told u Aoun made mistakes? isnt it that end justify the means?
what are mistakes by defintion? mistakes are a point of view if u see it as a mistake might happen to be later the best thing that ever happened. by the way discovery of fire was a mistake iza baddak

i am not defending or attacking GMA it is just that this is politics and moreover this is Lebanon, and if u r afraid to loose more popularity fa dont worry about it cause the funny thing is lebanese ppl forget after 4 days fa kif after 4 years



what does it matter loosing popularity? ppl that love GMA will love him and those who dont will hate him more or might find some sense in their minds and realize the truth
if ur only problem is who makes the speech fa let it be what is decided. who cares


shou 3arafak? and if u know someone who suggested it ask him why GMA didnt approve




ino if GMA stops appearing on the media u will be happy?
ya3ameh we r living the foundation of a party it is not like the movies or ma ba3rif where u come up with those things
the founders are exactly what they r named "founders". most ppl that have joined FPM or tayyar or maba3rif shou joined cause they either like GMA or neutral towards him. u cant be FPM if u hate GMA but love FPM, fassirly this iza mish mazbouta?

after GMA there will be the things that u r talking about ino the leader should not speak because we will loose popularity stuff bass now it cannot be. the ppl stood behind GMA cause he represents to them something each one in a different matter

Do not worry GeorgeY everything is running great in FPM, these people criticizing are only jealous, ignore them.

By the way, why use the "8" when there is a perfectly good "h" ready to serve your needs? :)

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by The Jade

If the FPM would acquiesce to his demands, it wouldn't be because of this Press Conference or because of Aoun's communicational skills. It would be because of the demands per se.

As I said, Aoun is a very good strategist, but he doesn't know how to convey his message to the people.

The FPM had a great message to convey during the elections and they expected AT LEAST 35 seats, yet they got 27 and are now blaming it on the money etc etc.

So, if the FPM got 27 seats (6 more than 2005), it isn't because of the bad communication (that FPMers still think was great), it's because of the core message and strategy.


Threats are good, but there's a way to convey the message and that's FPM's problem they don't know how to do it !

And the problem with hardcore FPMers; i.e: Aounists is that they believe that all of Aoun's moves are great and that any move done in a different way wouldn't have been so beneficial. They think that any other way of doing things wouldn't be better than the one used right now since "GMA knows best"

the problem with non-hardcore FPMers is that they think they always got a solution
r u up to take decisions and if they dont work FPM goes down the drain?

another question and 3anjad i wish u can answer this
do u think if u have done something 100% correct (in the perfectionist meaning) will it get more results than if GMA did something 50% correct?

ya3ni will the ppl take ur decision better than taking the decisions of GMA even if ur decisions are better?

i ll say it again what u r saying is correct in the normal phase of a party but not in the beggining

i ll give u another approach. it is a fact that the earth rotates around the sun but does that mean in the beginning it was rotating around the sun? or a different rule applies there?

as for the 27 seats. (and here i love ppl that predict the future) shuo 3arafak ino any other different thing that would have happened wouldnt have lost us more? do u know the mathal ino "la takra8ou sharan 3ala8ou khairon". which means if u fell on the ground and hurt ur elbow doesnt mean that u should have stayed home but it might mean that if u stayed at home u might have fell of the balcony. mish ma32ouleh?

u r still and convinced of something that is not in our time (3aiish bikheir 3asrak) u have to agree after GMA is gone (ba3da 3oumrin tawil) ur statements will come into effect.

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by GeorgeY

ya3ame walla kharib 8el balad!!!!

i wanna agree for you for a while that what u stated is true taiib this too perfect i love perfection bass ino ktir 8eiki

first u ask of GMA mou7asabe; give me an example of any political system whether democratic, communist , or whatever that the founder was asked anything. whereas i can give plenty of opposites
democratically or republican if u want did any of the founders of the USA get "mou7asabe"? did they fight civil wars and where they "mou7asabe"? did they fight "loosing" battles? for God's sake they fought their mother country!!! "give me liberty or give me death"? shou sar fiyoun? they have statues for them bass it doesnt mean that it is correct to kill ur own countrymen or even their mother country they could have peacefully gotten peace (in the point of view of M14ers)
communists did anyone one ask why Lenin through out trotsky and later killed him? etc...

now who told u Aoun made mistakes? isnt it that end justify the means?
what are mistakes by defintion? mistakes are a point of view if u see it as a mistake might happen to be later the best thing that ever happened. by the way discovery of fire was a mistake iza baddak

i am not defending or attacking GMA it is just that this is politics and moreover this is Lebanon, and if u r afraid to loose more popularity fa dont worry about it cause the funny thing is lebanese ppl forget after 4 days fa kif after 4 years



what does it matter loosing popularity? ppl that love GMA will love him and those who dont will hate him more or might find some sense in their minds and realize the truth
if ur only problem is who makes the speech fa let it be what is decided. who cares


shou 3arafak? and if u know someone who suggested it ask him why GMA didnt approve




ino if GMA stops appearing on the media u will be happy?
ya3ameh we r living the foundation of a party it is not like the movies or ma ba3rif where u come up with those things
the founders are exactly what they r named "founders". most ppl that have joined FPM or tayyar or maba3rif shou joined cause they either like GMA or neutral towards him. u cant be FPM if u hate GMA but love FPM, fassirly this iza mish mazbouta?

after GMA there will be the things that u r talking about ino the leader should not speak because we will loose popularity stuff bass now it cannot be. the ppl stood behind GMA cause he represents to them something each one in a different matter

Here again, what did I tell you ?

The "Michel Aoun knows best" attitude.
And of course the denial that the FPM is in great shape.

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Do not worry GeorgeY everything is running great in FPM, these people criticizing are only jealous, ignore them.

By the way, why use the "8" when there is a perfectly good "h" ready to serve your needs? :)

wallah tamanitni abou el zouz katir khairak w min amsalak

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Here again, what did I tell you ?

The "Michel Aoun knows best" attitude.
And of course the denial that the FPM is in great shape.

taiib who knows best?

[joseph_lubnan]

Originally Posted by GeorgeY

taiib who knows best?

Only he who knows best, knows best and not only does he know best, he is the bestest.

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Here again, what did I tell you ?

The "Michel Aoun knows best" attitude.
And of course the denial that the FPM is in great shape.

and again not the idea that "GMA" knows best but any person even u in GMA's place would be right simply because he is the person ppl listen too

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by GeorgeY

the problem with non-hardcore FPMers is that they think they always got a solution
r u up to take decisions and if they dont work FPM goes down the drain?

another question and 3anjad i wish u can answer this
do u think if u have done something 100% correct (in the perfectionist meaning) will it get more results than if GMA did something 50% correct?

ya3ni will the ppl take ur decision better than taking the decisions of GMA even if ur decisions are better?

i ll say it again what u r saying is correct in the normal phase of a party but not in the beggining

i ll give u another approach. it is a fact that the earth rotates around the sun but does that mean in the beginning it was rotating around the sun? or a different rule applies there?

as for the 27 seats. (and here i love ppl that predict the future) shuo 3arafak ino any other different thing that would have happened wouldnt have lost us more? do u know the mathal ino "la takra8ou sharan 3ala8ou khairon". which means if u fell on the ground and hurt ur elbow doesnt mean that u should have stayed home but it might mean that if u stayed at home u might have fell of the balcony. mish ma32ouleh?

u r still and convinced of something that is not in our time (3aiish bikheir 3asrak) u have to agree after GMA is gone (ba3da 3oumrin tawil) ur statements will come into effect.

So what I understand is simple here:

We should NOT criticize the leaders (heads of parties, deputies, ministers, PMs, presidents, etc) because whatever they did MIGHT be good in the future.

When should we start the mou7assabé ?
After 1 year ? 2 years ? 5 years ? 10 years ? 100 years ?
And who sets these periods ?

Your problem is that you're always giving Michel Aoun the benefit of the doubt.
The FPM would've never been what it is if it wasn't for the people who supported it.
So, the party is NOTHING without its militants and its supporters.

And your problem is that you think that the FPM would've been nothing if it wasn't for Michel Aoun, yet you tend to forget that in order to have a party you need supporters and when the latters start asking questions, the leader should listen and act.

[GeorgeY]

Originally Posted by joseph_lubnan

Only he who knows best, knows best and not only does he know best, he is the bestest.

la2 sadi2ni m3almak knows best and he is most bestest of all