FPM, Signs of Significant Failures!?

[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Here, what did I tell you ?
Less than 2 pages and people are already fighting each other, and criticizing a poor LFer on the forum.....

If these people could concentrate these efforts on themselves instead of the LFs kenit el FPM bi kell kheir

Unfortunately antagonism is entertaining!

[SamerTayyar]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Here, what did I tell you ?
Less than 2 pages and people are already fighting each other, and criticizing a poor LFer on the forum.....

If these people could concentrate these efforts on themselves instead of the LFs kenit el FPM bi kell kheir

Originally Posted by needfortruth

Unfortunately antagonism is entertaining!

Im not really interested in writing long posts that none of FPM media committee

members or other FPM officials would ever read. Bashing the poor LFer is much more amusing.

I appreciate this LFer more than anything because his leader and his followers are the fuel for FPM to survive.

[hannaalsayssa]

i am still happy , actually very happy with FPM and its policis and the way they deliver them.

yes there is always room for improvements and ALSO ROOM FOR CASH INFUSION.

basically we are operating on a shoe string budget and members donated free time.
our enemies have zillions and still they could not dislodge us.

i beileive this time GENERAL played a better game with them and did not give them room to attack him a.
he just said what he wanted and left them to bark a will.

[SamerTayyar]

when Hanna posts a positive opinion you know that that wahhabi days are over

[Amirkani]

Originally Posted by needfortruth

Reading the comments above is the proof in my mind that there is a failure. Aoun having to defend his own son-in-law is putting him and FPM in a weak position. FPMers have to come out with a vengeance defending Bassil and supporting him regardless of their own feelings. When the dust settles, they can perform self evaluation behind closed doors.

The article above, without reading it, and by simply reading the title gives me the sense that FPM is being stupid by exposing a weakness and invite other to exploit it. Again someone for the love of God, read Art of War. If we are to trust FPM in securing our future, we need to feel that it is capable of doing so. It has done well so far, but if they fail now, nothing they have done would matter.

So don't take this as criticism, but as a suggestion from an observer on the outside giving you a different perspective.

Originally Posted by hannaalsayssa

i am still happy , actually very happy with FPM and its policis and the way they deliver them.

yes there is always room for improvements and ALSO ROOM FOR CASH INFUSION.

basically we are operating on a shoe string budget and members donated free time.
our enemies have zillions and still they could not dislodge us.

i beileive this time GENERAL played a better game with them and did not give them room to attack him a.
he just said what he wanted and left them to bark a will.

Sorry Hanna to disagree with you... On the contrary, Aoun, this time around, played his weakest hand... he let them drag him into an imaginary fight.

What needfortruth posted has a lot of truth in it. There are many wise and shrewd FPMers and Aoun should have stepped aside and let them handle the Bassil issue... Aoun is the wrong person for that job... but he let his personal emotions overtake his political wisdom.

He ended up harming himself, Gebran and FPM more than helping them by insisting on tackling the issue himself and not letting detached FPMers do it in his place. It's a mistake we will definitely pay for in unnecessary compromises in the coming months.

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[needfortruth]

Originally Posted by Amirkani

Sorry Hanna to disagree with you... On the contrary, Aoun, this time around, played his weakest hand... he let them drag him into an imaginary fight.

What needfortruth posted has a lot of truth in it. There are many wise and shrewd FPMers and Aoun should have stepped aside and let them handle the Bassil issue... Aoun is the wrong person for that job... but he let his personal emotions overtake his political wisdom.

He ended up harming himself, Gebran and FPM more than helping them by insisting on tackling the issue himself and not letting detached FPMers do it in his place. It's a mistake we will definitely pay for in unnecessary compromises in the coming months.

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One of FPM's biggest mistake and that of OTV is that the Loyalists throw an accusation on FPM like El Sohr El Mo3atel and OTV repeats it 50,000 times a day, and suddenly it becomes really an issue. They just keep pounding it day and night into people’s heads and minds and make it the daily topic of conversation instead of simply dismissing the issue. They should watch Jumblatt’s interview with Marcel Ghanem and how he dismissed the discussion about Aoun before the election n order not to allow his attacks on Aoun to strengthen Aoun and left it to his Christian puppets to do the job.

All the Loyalists have to do is throw an idea out and let us, breed it, feed it, and turn it into a monster, instead of focusing for instance on Harriri's incompetence as a proposed prime minister and his inability to bring the Lebanese together and repeat that 50,000 times a day!!!!!!!!!!! I am baffled with OTV's and FPM's response to propaganda attacks.

[superduper703]

The problem with Aoun is that he's front and center of anything FPM. Yes, it is a full-fledged party, but every time there is somthing to be said, it is Aoun himself who's saying it (don't mind how he says it, which is another topic altogether).

When Nasrallah talks, everyone listens, even his opponents. Why? Because he only talks every so often. People are tired of seeing Aoun's mug on television, saying the same things, with the same brash style.

He needs to learn to delegate.

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by Amirkani

Sorry Hanna to disagree with you... On the contrary, Aoun, this time around, played his weakest hand... he let them drag him into an imaginary fight.

What needfortruth posted has a lot of truth in it. There are many wise and shrewd FPMers and Aoun should have stepped aside and let them handle the Bassil issue... Aoun is the wrong person for that job... but he let his personal emotions overtake his political wisdom.

He ended up harming himself, Gebran and FPM more than helping them by insisting on tackling the issue himself and not letting detached FPMers do it in his place. It's a mistake we will definitely pay for in unnecessary compromises in the coming months.

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Ok so now that we've acknowledged that Aoun made a mistake, min baddo yi 7assebo ?

The need of having a head of party and a committee elected by the party members is crucial here, since the elected people would have to get back to the people whenever they make a certain move.

Do you think that anyone could tell Aoun that he made a mistake ?
Even if anyone did, why would he listen to them ?

I'm sure that many people told him not go for it, still he did it.

THAT'S the real problem in the FPM, ma fi mou7assabé, and noone can impose anything on anyone, especially when such a big mistake is made.

And as Superduper has said, the dude needs to rest and let a media committee take care of these situations. When Aoun first came back to Lebanon, whenever he was on TV, the country used to stop to listen to him, now he's on TV at least twice a week and this is becoming annoying.

Why should he be the one making a statement after the weekly meetings ?
Why isn't it another MP ? It was like that before, why did it change ?

I'm also sure that someone suggested it to the general, but did he listen ?
And why ?
Does he know everything ? Aren't there people better than him in certain fields ?
The guy is an excellent strategist, but on the media level, he's not as good as people (or himself) think he is.

Can anyone answer any of these questions ?

[shadow1]

Originally Posted by The Jade

Ok so now that we've acknowledged that Aoun made a mistake, min baddo yi 7assebo ?

Irrespective of those yet unknown compromises amirkani mentioned, Would Aoun needs mou7asabe if he wins this particular argument and the appointed PM acquiesces to his demand?
You are building your argument in the assumption that a different approach might have been more popular but what if threats are the only effective language in lebanon's political speech?

[The Jade]

Originally Posted by shadow1

Irrespective of those yet unknown compromises amirkani mentioned, Would Aoun needs mou7asabe if he wins this particular argument and the appointed PM acquiesces to his demand?

If the FPM would acquiesce to his demands, it wouldn't be because of this Press Conference or because of Aoun's communicational skills. It would be because of the demands per se.

As I said, Aoun is a very good strategist, but he doesn't know how to convey his message to the people.

The FPM had a great message to convey during the elections and they expected AT LEAST 35 seats, yet they got 27 and are now blaming it on the money etc etc.

So, if the FPM got 27 seats (6 more than 2005), it isn't because of the bad communication (that FPMers still think was great), it's because of the core message and strategy.

You are building your argument in the assumption that a different approach might have been more popular but what if threats are the only effective language in lebanon's political speech?

Threats are good, but there's a way to convey the message and that's FPM's problem they don't know how to do it !

And the problem with hardcore FPMers; i.e: Aounists is that they believe that all of Aoun's moves are great and that any move done in a different way wouldn't have been so beneficial. They think that any other way of doing things wouldn't be better than the one used right now since "GMA knows best"