HA should drop their ideology first Wilayet Elfaqih then we are ready to talk with them, because what SHN said is very dangerous:
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ولاية الفقيه أن نأتي ونقول: قيادتنا وإدارتنا وولاية أمرنا وقرار حربنا وقرار سلمنا وكذا، هو بيد الوليّ الفقيه
They used to throw acid on girls, they killed and tortured some communists, they killed and kidnapped some foreigners like Michel Sora the French sociologist حتى نغفر لأنفسنا ميشال سورا , they used to hold the Iranian flag, everything in HA, even the flags, are almost a copy of Iranian ones like Pasdaran and so. And I don't believe that they changed, they don't see me as a person who has different views, but as ضال عن طريق الهداية
And the pre-conditions continue. This won't build the country. HA supporters want to argue day and night that HA changed than they were in the 80s, but they say that the LF and Kataeb didn't change, some of them even criticize you if you bring back some issues from the 80s, it's like HA became totally a different party, and you have no choice but to believe that.
The point is, when you put pre-conditions, others will do the same, and the empty circle goes on!
About the past, we should really bring back what happened to understand why it happened, and to prevent it from happening again, not to use it as a tool to discredit our political opponent, some really use the victims' blood to win elections and to become the main party in the sect! For, how many of those who talk about what the other part did in the civil war like they care, how many of them visited the victims' families and cared for them?!
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HA should drop their ideology first Wilayet Elfaqih then we are ready to talk with them, because what SHN said is very dangerous:
They used to throw acid on girls, they killed and tortured some communists, they killed and kidnapped some foreigners like Michel Sora the French sociologist حتى نغفر لأنفسنا ميشال سورا , they used to hold the Iranian flag, everything in HA, even the flags, are almost a copy of Iranian ones like Pasdaran and so. And I don't believe that they changed, they don't see me as a person who has different views, but as ضال عن طريق الهداية
And the pre-conditions continue. This won't build the country. HA supporters want to argue day and night that HA changed than they were in the 80s, but they say that the LF and Kataeb didn't change, some of them even criticize you if you bring back some issues from the 80s, it's like HA became totally a different party, and you have no choice but to believe that.
The point is, when you put pre-conditions, others will do the same, and the empty circle goes on!
About the past, we should really bring back what happened to understand why it happened, and to prevent it from happening again, not to use it as a tool to discredit our political opponent, some really use the victims' blood to win elections and to become the main party in the sect! For, how many of those who talk about what the other part did in the civil war like they care, how many of them visited the victims' families and cared for them?!
the ga3ga3ist never changed, 3 years ago all were cheering israel openly and hoping for the death of all shia and FPMers...
they were counting the dyas when israel win so they can go to shar2iyye and do mop op operation ( killing all their enemies, they had lists and names, it was massacres to be all over again).
alwa7shaniyye 3endoun ma ra7et, it is still alive and kicking, even today if they have chance they will do mini safras and ehden in a minute.
most of them still argue they were very necessary.
NO RAPPROCHMENT MA3 sg.it is do or die.
for the weak hearted if you want to have a cancer, MANY OF US IN THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY REFUSES TO.
LET THE BEST WIN.....................
Finally
we need to look at the end results in life.
talk is cheap very cheap indeed 1-iran manged to put a satellite in orbit
2-all arab moderates put together can not fix a bicycle. LOLLLLLLL.
sg and the killers like him are sweet talkers but they sow death and destruction in their wake.
so is sa3doun and his cohorts......killers wearing suits and ties.
sg will resort to killing if cornered.
sami is in grave danger.
PS.personally i do not like sami nor his dad, bass achtaff bzoumm men sg, and i can live with a rapprochment with them if GENERAL sees it beneficial.
Has the diversion has been set?
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In a statement issued on Sunday, the Kataeb party said that during a party headed by President Amin Gemayel and his son Sami Gemayel with their supporters, a convoy affiliated with the SSNP stopped in front of Kataeb leader Amin Gemayel’s house in Bikfaya, and started shouting and yelling out loud.
“We killed Bachir and Pierre; Amin and Sami’s turn is coming soon,” the statement quoted the SSNP followers.
The statement said that Kataeb members did not respond to the provocation, and called on security forces to arrest SSNP members on suspicion of plotting an assassination..
The statement called the SSNP to be held responsible for any attack against Kataeb leaders or officials.
“Does the SSNP fear the reconciliations taking place between the Kataeb party, and Lebanese and Arab parties?” the statement asked.
According to the statement, official security services have information regarding plans to assassinate MP Sami Gemayel.
In a statement issued on Sunday, the Kataeb party said that during a party headed by President Amin Gemayel and his son Sami Gemayel with their supporters, a convoy affiliated with the SSNP stopped in front of Kataeb leader Amin Gemayel’s house in Bikfaya, and started shouting and yelling out loud.
“We killed Bachir and Pierre; Amin and Sami’s turn is coming soon,” the statement quoted the SSNP followers.
The statement said that Kataeb members did not respond to the provocation, and called on security forces to arrest SSNP members on suspicion of plotting an assassination..
The statement called the SSNP to be held responsible for any attack against Kataeb leaders or officials.
“Does the SSNP fear the reconciliations taking place between the Kataeb party, and Lebanese and Arab parties?” the statement asked.
According to the statement, official security services have information regarding plans to assassinate MP Sami Gemayel.
In a statement issued on Sunday, the Kataeb party said that during a party headed by President Amin Gemayel and his son Sami Gemayel with their supporters, a convoy affiliated with the SSNP stopped in front of Kataeb leader Amin Gemayel’s house in Bikfaya, and started shouting and yelling out loud.
“We killed Bachir and Pierre; Amin and Sami’s turn is coming soon,” the statement quoted the SSNP followers.
The statement said that Kataeb members did not respond to the provocation, and called on security forces to arrest SSNP members on suspicion of plotting an assassination..
The statement called the SSNP to be held responsible for any attack against Kataeb leaders or officials.
“Does the SSNP fear the reconciliations taking place between the Kataeb party, and Lebanese and Arab parties?” the statement asked.
According to the statement, official security services have information regarding plans to assassinate MP Sami Gemayel.
رد عميد الإذاعة والإعلام في الحزب "السوري القومي الاجتماعي" الأمين جمال فاخوري في بيان على الخبر الذي أوردته الوكالة الوطنية للإعلام في نشرتها أمس ونسبته إلى حزب "الكتائب اللبنانية" مفاده أن موكباً للحزب السوري القومي الاجتماعي تعمد سلوك الطريق المحاذية لدارة رئيس حزب "الكتائب" أمين الجميل فيما كان متوجهاً للمشاركة في مهرجان إحياء الذكرى الستين لاغتيال أنطون سعاده، وقالت الكتائب في الخبر الصادر عنها أن الموكب توقف أمام منزل الجميل الذي كان في هذه الأثناء يستقبل مع ابنه سامي بعض الوفود الحزبية(الكتائبية) وأطلق من فيه هتافات وشعارات ضد الكتائب ورموزها ومن بينها "قتلناك يا بشير ويا بيار وجايي دورك يا سامي ويا أمين.. الخ".
وأكد الحزب السوري القومي الاجتماعي "ان هذا الخبر عار تماماً من الصحة، والطريق الذي سلكه الموكب إنما هو الطريق العام والأساسي الذي تعتمده كل السيارات والباصات المتجهة من أعالي المتن الشمالي إلى ساحله. كما ان الموكب لم يتوقف أمام منزل الجميل ولم يطلق من فيه أي هتافات أو شعارات معادية لحزب الكتائب كما لم يصدر عن المشاركين فيه أي كلام سيئ أو تهديد".
ولفت الحزب "القومي" الى ان "مصدر الخبر المزعوم وهو حزب الكتائب كفيل وحده بأن يكشف للرأي العام عموماً ولأبناء المتن خصوصاً افتقاره إلى الصدقية والموضوعية وبأن يفضح الغاية التي توخاها من هذا الافتراء".
وشدد "القومي" على ان هذا الخبر هو "خبر ملفق ومختلق وهو لا يعدو كونه إحدى الممارسات الممجوجة والمعروفة عن حزب آل الجميّل الذين يشتعلون غيظاً وكيداً أمام كل خطوة يخطوها الحزب السوري القومي الاجتماعي وفي مناسبة أي نشاط أو عمل يأتيه، فكيف إذا كان هذا النشاط في مستوى مهرجان ناجح وحاشد إحياء لذكرى اغتيال انطون سعاده الذي ما زالت دماؤه ودماء رفاقه تلطخ أيدي زمر آل الجميل وتاريخهم منذ حادثة الجميزة في العام 1949 كما لطختها دماء الآلاف ممن سقطوا على حواجزهم الطائفية أو في نيران فتنهم التي أضرموها بين اللبنانيين حيناً وبينهم وبين المقيمين على أرض لبنان حيناً آخر".
ورأى الحزب "القومي" أن "أهل الفتنة والغيلة معروفون من القاصي والداني في لبنان وفي كل العالم العربي. وكانت ساعة رحمة حين ان زاح عن صدر اللبنانيين حكم آل الجميّل الذي أتت به قوات العدو الإسرائيلي يوم احتلت لبنان في زمن المحنة السوداء التي كانوا صنّاعها المَهَرَة".
وأكد "الحزب السوري القومي الاجتماعي" في بيانه انه يحتفظ بحقه في ملاحقة مطلقي هذه الأخبار
والتهم الكاذبة، داعيا وسائل الإعلام إلى "عدم الوقوع في حبائل القائمين بها لأنهم أبعد ما يكونون عن الأمانة للحقيقة وعن الموضوعية والصدقية".
وختم بيان "القومي" بالاشارة الى أن "الخبر المزعوم والمنسوب إلى حزب الكتائب لم يبن على أي واقعة جرى ضبطها من قبل الأجهزة الأمنية المختصة وهو محض اختلاق للإساءة للحزب السوري القومي الاجتماعي الذي ينتصر دوماً بمناقبيته وأخلاقه المترفعة على الافتراءات والمفترين
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source : elnashra
are all of these statements and counter-statements between Kataeb and SSNP supposed
to put pressure on the constitutional council?? i believe that's what it's all about.
how far the your so called assasination by a syrian agent?
over 3 months has passe and no news yet.
Ammouna is a born liar, plus he belongs to the Kataeb school that inherited the Nazi propaganda school of Goebels.
Remember what GMA said about him before the Metn 2007 bi elections.
Kataeb popularity is at its lowest level since the foundation of the party; he thinks that claiming that he and his son are potential assassination targets for Syria and its agents might be helpful in getting some compassion especially that the constitutional council will look into the tou3oun soon.
HA should drop their ideology first Wilayet Elfaqih then we are ready to talk with them, because what SHN said is very dangerous:
They used to throw acid on girls, they killed and tortured some communists, they killed and kidnapped some foreigners like Michel Sora the French sociologist حتى نغفر لأنفسنا ميشال سورا , they used to hold the Iranian flag, everything in HA, even the flags, are almost a copy of Iranian ones like Pasdaran and so. And I don't believe that they changed, they don't see me as a person who has different views, but as ضال عن طريق الهداية
And the pre-conditions continue. This won't build the country. HA supporters want to argue day and night that HA changed than they were in the 80s, but they say that the LF and Kataeb didn't change, some of them even criticize you if you bring back some issues from the 80s, it's like HA became totally a different party, and you have no choice but to believe that.
The point is, when you put pre-conditions, others will do the same, and the empty circle goes on!
About the past, we should really bring back what happened to understand why it happened, and to prevent it from happening again, not to use it as a tool to discredit our political opponent, some really use the victims' blood to win elections and to become the main party in the sect! For, how many of those who talk about what the other part did in the civil war like they care, how many of them visited the victims' families and cared for them?!
I know you are not stupid but you are catering to the stupid, To the stupid you are catering to, check this one out, To be continued.
What can be called a travesty of judiciary, the Saudi Arabia’s Higher Judicial Council has actually sentenced a rape victim to receive 200 lashes and prison while the perpetrators of humanity’s most heinous crime were allowed to walk free.
The 19-year-old Shiite woman who was raped by six armed men was originally sentenced to receive 90 lashes for traveling in the car of an ‘unrelated male’ at the time of the rape. However after the woman had the temerity of not unquestioningly submitting herself to be tortured as punishment of being raped, the judges on Saudi Arabia’s Higher Judicial Council more than doubled her punishment for attempting to influence the judiciary through the media.
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What can be called a travesty of judiciary, the Saudi Arabia’s Higher Judicial Council has actually sentenced a rape victim to receive 200 lashes and prison while the perpetrators of humanity’s most heinous crime were allowed to walk free.
The 19-year-old Shiite woman who was raped by six armed men was originally sentenced to receive 90 lashes for traveling in the car of an ‘unrelated male’ at the time of the rape. However after the woman had the temerity of not unquestioningly submitting herself to be tortured as punishment of being raped, the judges on Saudi Arabia’s Higher Judicial Council more than doubled her punishment for attempting to influence the judiciary through the media.
بريطانيا تمنح اللجوء لأميرة سعودية حملت سفاحاً
منحت السلطات البريطانية حق اللجوء إلى أميرة سعودية وضعت طفلاً سفاحاً بعد أن أعربت للجنة اللجوء السياسي البريطانية عن خشيتها من العودة للوطن حيث قد تتعرض لعقوبة الموت رجماً، وفق تقرير.
وأوردت صحيفة "التلغراف" البريطانية أن السلطات السعودية والبريطانية رفضتا التعقيب على القضية.
وكانت الأميرة، المتزوجة من عضو طاعن في السن من العائلة المالكة السعودية، قد التقت بصديقها الإنجليزي، غير المسلم، أثناء زيارة لندن.
وأجبرت زوجها على السماح لها بالعودة إلى المملكة المتحدة لوضع مولودها بالخفاء بعد أن أتضح حملها، وفق الصحيفة.
وقالت الأميرة أمام لجنة "الهجرة واللجوء" البريطانية إنها قد تقع فريسة جرائم الشرف أو الموت رجماً، تنفيذا لحد الشريعة، حال إعادتها للوطن حيث قاطعها أهلها وأسرة زوجها بعد فرارها.
ومنحت السلطات البريطانية حق اللجوء والسرية للأميرة السعودية، ورفض الناطق باسم الداخلية التعقيب على التقرير، بدعوى أن الوزارة لا تعلق على القضايا الفردية، بحسب الصحيفة التي أشارت كذلك إلى فشلها في الحصول على تعقيب من سفارة المملكة في لندن.
وتنضم بذلك الأميرة إلى حفنة من السعوديين ممن تقدموا بطلبات لجوء للإقامة في المملكة المتحدة، علماً أن السلطات البريطانية تتكتم بشأن هذه القضاء تحسباً من تسليط الضوء على الاضطهاد الذي تتعرض له المرأة في السعودية مراعاة للعلاقات مع الحكومة السعودية.
وتقول منظمة العفو الدولية "أمنستي"، ومقرها لندن، إن السلطات السعودية نفذت عقوبة الإعدام بالرجم وقطع الرأس على 103 رجلاً وامرأة العام الماضي، ويقف 136 آخرون في الصف، على ما أوردت "التلغراف."
والأسبوع الماضي، حُملت الشرطة الدينية في السعودية مسؤولية مقتل شقيقتين على يد أخيهما في الرياض، فيما يعرف بجرائم الشرف.
وبحسب التقرير، كانت الشقيقتان، 21 و19 عاماً، قد اعتقلتا بواسطة تلك القوة الأمنية - وتعرف بهيئة الأمر بالمعروف والنهي عن المنكر - بدعوى الاختلاط برجال لا يمتان إليهما بصلة، وهي "جريمة" تبرر القتل في دولة تحظر على النساء قيادة السيارات
Source: tayyar.org
19th July 2009
